Does this allow encryption of the video stream? Graceful signal degradation is a great feature, but I don't see how that would work when there is encryption.
Encryption won't work for this scenario as it reintroduces the problem of all or no data. Degraded encrypted data can't be decrypted successfully (yet?)
Wifibroadcast – Analog-like transmission of live video data
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Re: Wifibroadcast – Analog-like transmission of live video data
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encryption won't work for this scenario as it reintroduces the problem of all or no data. Degraded encrypted data can't be decrypted successfully (yet?)
encrypt with a redundant parity data?
You can take an analog signal and "quantize" it into sixteen possible values so that you can apply a parity algorithm that returns sensible results and doesn't fail with expected noise, but you're digitizing the signal.
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Amen. Now if someone could get DVDs or streaming services to offer fast-forward and rewind that works as well as a VCR we'd be caught up to the 1980s!
Hell yes! Or even hardware acceleration for starting in random parts of videos on my PC so they don't break up and delay as often. This is the digital era. It's supposed to work more reliably than old, analog tech. I used to be able to stop my rewind or fast-forward on VCR within a few seconds of the target moment with clean play. Still not reliable with digital streaming. (sighs) Note: I do like how, even with error…
Don't forget not having to rewind after watching/before watching. Glad that whole class of annoyance is gone, much more annoying than poor random access :)
Re: Wifibroadcast – Analog-like transmission of live video data
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encryption won't work for this scenario as it reintroduces the problem of all or no data. Degraded encrypted data can't be decrypted successfully (yet?)
From my armchair position, I'd think that this is what error correcting codes are for, aren't they?
Let's say you're using a 20/40 erasure encoding. You break a piece of data up into 20 pieces and create 20 extra parity pieces. Now you only need 20 out of the 40 to recreate the original data.
Are we encoding the encrypted data? Ok well we need at least 20 good pieces, and that's to decode the original data. This method doesn't allow for seamless degradation but allows for some data loss in the transmission (while effectively doubling the amount we're trying to push in the first place).
Let's say we're breaking up the original data, creating parity pieces and encrypting each little piece. Then it could decrypt each piece it got and use it and if it couldn't decrypt a piece just throw it away. This could potentially work but parity pieces are useless unless you are trying to recreate the original file neglecting the ability to degrade quality. So redundancy is more important in this scenario than parity.
But, if we make the encrypted pieces small enough, say each packet body, then that could probably work but be resource intensive. Encode/decode every packet, if successful insert into feed, else throw the packet away. This would work a lot like the existing technology just requiring some middle step of decrypting each packet body.
Re: Wifibroadcast – Analog-like transmission of live video data
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amen. Now if someone could get DVDs or streaming services to offer fast-forward and rewind that works as well as a VCR we'd be caught up to the 1980s!
Hell yes! Or even hardware acceleration for starting in random parts of videos on my PC so they don't break up and delay as often. This is the digital era. It's supposed to work more reliably than old, analog tech. I used to be able to stop my rewind or fast-forward on VCR within a few seconds of the target moment with clean play. Still not reliable with digital streaming. (sighs) Note: I do like how, even with error…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_pictures
whereas analog media stored full resolution versions of every frame.
Seeking is much easier when you can pick any random location and have all the data right there ready to use, and you don't have to backtrack and try to recreate things from previous frames.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encryption won't work for this scenario as it reintroduces the problem of all or no data. Degraded encrypted data can't be decrypted successfully (yet?)
From my armchair position, I'd think that this is what error correcting codes are for, aren't they?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viterbi_algorithm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-density_parity-check_code
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
encrypt with a redundant parity data?
Even then I think it would still be all-or-nothing. That may increase the chances of "all" over "nothing" but not allow graceful degradation of the video.
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#18> Note: Before using wifibroadcast you have to check if the regulatories of your country allow such a use of wifi hardware. Any guesses as to whether this would be legal in the US?
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#19Cool stuff. Good to see them recognize and use advantages of analog. I could tell them digital transmission of data has always been done with analog circuits but analog's invisible ubiquity is beside the point. ;)
Re: Wifibroadcast – Analog-like transmission of live video data
#20Does this allow encryption of the video stream? Graceful signal degradation is a great feature, but I don't see how that would work when there is encryption.
(With a stream cipher, a single bit error in the encrypted data results in a single bit error in the decrypted data).