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Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:04 PM UTC

desuvader wrote: post #116

eljimmy wrote: post #77

I watched his stream on Twitch about a month ago and he came across as a nice guy. Viewers were asking him for career path, post-secondary education, and bio-tech advice. He was responding to questions politely and seemed to be pretty chill. From what the media reports on him and what I saw on Twitch, seems as though he may have a bit of a Jekyll-Hyde type personality.

Here are all his live streams. Half of them seem to be investing lessons. All videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA/vid... Example investing lesson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKinQ7t-xU&t=58m29s Edit: Not sure if these include videos/recordings from Twitch.

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Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by CPLX » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:05 PM UTC

When they indict your lawyer too you know you really fucked up.

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by pessimizer » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:05 PM UTC

JayHost wrote: post #43

My first reaction to his arrest was joy and then I saw comments about him getting "beat up in jail" to put it lightly. People who say those kinds of things are no better than him. Possibly worse. The solution to dealing with people like him is to be able to separate them from society or fix the system so it can no longer be exploited so "easily". He may have hurt a lot of people but it's been through proxy as far as…

>My first reaction to his arrest was joy and then I saw comments about him getting "beat up in jail" to put it lightly.

>People who say those kinds of things are no better than him. Possibly worse.

If wishing bad things would happen to someone who has done bad things and actually raising the price of AIDS drugs fiftyfold to get rich are anywhere near each other in your moral calculus, I'm terrified of your moral calculus (especially that it may be common.)

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by gglitch » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:05 PM UTC

pdeuchler wrote: post #125

chipsy wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with this form of dismissal as a rule. If someone says something and then says "it was a joke", "it was a game", "I was just making a point", that doesn't cancel out the words and their impact - social atmosphere is not an intellectually pristine environment. You will change the atmosphere by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and once it's done, there is no going back. Likewise, if we dismiss someone's s…

>>> "You will change the atmosphere by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and once it's done, there is no going back." >>> "Posturing language exists to make a claim to credibility. It serves a real purpose and is used in an instrumental way, for the purpose of conducting business on the terms of those who use it." >>> "enabling their threats to be real to some degree." >>> "There is no reason to deny him the possib…

I don't think I'm following, other than the implication that chipsy is ignorant about free speech. For the sake of discussion, why not spell out your concerns?

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by vezzy-fnord » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:05 PM UTC

homulilly wrote: post #108

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's a net gain for society and that's what's important https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_monster (Assumes cardinal utility, but it still works.)

Not talking about utilitarianism, I'm talking about social stability.

I'm not sure how incarcerating people deemed to prove a "net social loss" by some nebulous criteria promotes social stability. Hell, if we're going to be this loose, why not just kill them so no resources are spent for prisoner care?

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by datashovel » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:08 PM UTC

While I can't argue the indictment is a bad thing, I think at best it helps point out that, as long as you're not "too big", government is more than happy to go after you.

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:08 PM UTC

JayHost wrote: post #43

My first reaction to his arrest was joy and then I saw comments about him getting "beat up in jail" to put it lightly. People who say those kinds of things are no better than him. Possibly worse. The solution to dealing with people like him is to be able to separate them from society or fix the system so it can no longer be exploited so "easily". He may have hurt a lot of people but it's been through proxy as far as…

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Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by mattgrice » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:10 PM UTC

spinlock wrote: post #115

davesque wrote: post #15

Interesting that the crime which was "serious" enough to motivate law enforcement was theft of capital, NOT drug price gouging. It had nothing to do with Daraprim. Of course, Mr. Shkreli's recent popularity in the headlines may have greased the wheels of this investigation a bit. Update : As has been pointed out, this comes as no surprise since this kind of price gouging is perfectly legal.

Price gouging might be bad but the alternative is worse. If you allow the market to set the price of a limited resource, that resource will be allocated to those who truly need it. If you set the price so that "everyone" can afford the resource, you create a shortage and those who truly need the resource might or might not get it depending on how lucky/early they got in line.

Really, you think that $13 per pill was a worse situation? That there was an epidemic of people out there paying $13 a pill for antiprotozoal medications who don't truly need them?

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by RIMR » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:13 PM UTC

homulilly wrote: post #108

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's a net gain for society and that's what's important https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_monster (Assumes cardinal utility, but it still works.)

Not talking about utilitarianism, I'm talking about social stability.

Have you tried some self-awareness? That might help you understand the point being made.

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by jotux » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:15 PM UTC

micwawa wrote: post #129

When dealing with sociopaths, you have think of them like diseases and not even begin to attempt to relate to them in human terms. Saying "I'm glad that Skreli went to jail" should be stated with the the same joy or sense of justice as saying "I'm glad Ebola was contained." Saying something like "I hope Ebola learned their lesson, hahaha" shows that you don't understand Ebola. There's a lot of wealthy sociopaths out…

>When dealing with sociopaths, you have think of them like diseases and not even begin to attempt to relate to them in human terms.

I personally believe you should never dehumanize people, no matter how bad they are. Once you write off certain people as non-human it becomes much too easy to commit atrocities.