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Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by justinator » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:21 PM UTC

JayHost wrote: post #43

My first reaction to his arrest was joy and then I saw comments about him getting "beat up in jail" to put it lightly. People who say those kinds of things are no better than him. Possibly worse. The solution to dealing with people like him is to be able to separate them from society or fix the system so it can no longer be exploited so "easily". He may have hurt a lot of people but it's been through proxy as far as…

> if you can't see the damage you're doing you can't feel > guilty about it.

According to this piece, they feel guilty about it,

Former Drone Pilots Denounce 'Morally Outrageous’ Program | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1BC0g_PbQ

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by samstave » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:21 PM UTC

eljimmy wrote: post #77

I watched his stream on Twitch about a month ago and he came across as a nice guy. Viewers were asking him for career path, post-secondary education, and bio-tech advice. He was responding to questions politely and seemed to be pretty chill. From what the media reports on him and what I saw on Twitch, seems as though he may have a bit of a Jekyll-Hyde type personality.

He might have a coke/alcohol/substance abuse issues

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by jp555 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:22 PM UTC

eljimmy wrote: post #77

I watched his stream on Twitch about a month ago and he came across as a nice guy. Viewers were asking him for career path, post-secondary education, and bio-tech advice. He was responding to questions politely and seemed to be pretty chill. From what the media reports on him and what I saw on Twitch, seems as though he may have a bit of a Jekyll-Hyde type personality.

> Jekyll-Hyde type personality

He seems sociopathic to me.

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by scrollaway » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:22 PM UTC

spdionis wrote: post #79

AVTizzle wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The Wolf of Wall Street was a glorification of this type of behavior and a lot of people saw Jordan in that movie as a "Hero" Interesting analogy, and I'm glad you pointed this out. I was disgusted by Wolf of Wall Street, and even more disgusted by how exalted Belfort became after. So many friends and acquaintances admired and aspired towards what they saw in the film - that was the worst part of it for me. I just…

OT but i'm happy to see someone else was also disgusted so much by that movie. I'm not a moralist but the glorification of such degenerated values in that movie was horrible to watch.

The glorification in the movie was there to make this exact point. Be disgusted that people took it as some sort of how-to be successful guide. Don't shoot the messenger.

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by vezzy-fnord » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:24 PM UTC

homulilly wrote: post #74

JayHost wrote: post #43

My first reaction to his arrest was joy and then I saw comments about him getting "beat up in jail" to put it lightly. People who say those kinds of things are no better than him. Possibly worse. The solution to dealing with people like him is to be able to separate them from society or fix the system so it can no longer be exploited so "easily". He may have hurt a lot of people but it's been through proxy as far as…

I agree with you on the jail comments not being appropriate but doing something through proxy doesn't make you less culpable. drone pilots still get ptsd (the ones with a conscience at least). Shkreli isn't a good guy on the wrong path, he's an actual psychopath and while I honestly don't think any non-violent criminals "deserve" the hell that is US prison, if it keeps him from exploiting and harming more people it's…

it's a net gain for society and that's what's important

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_monster

(Assumes cardinal utility, but it still works.)

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:24 PM UTC

peckrob wrote: post #64

chriscappuccio wrote: post #7

The indictment makes it obvious that this started long before Daraprim was in the news. I'd say this isn't politically motivated, at least not for that reason alone.

They were investigating him but he was largely unknown outside of some financial and biotech circles. After Daraprim and the subsequent public outrage, not to mention his grating "bro" public persona, he became one of the most hated men in America. They were going to nail him for something as a result of that investigation. Remember, they got Al Capone in the 1930s for tax evasion - not all the other things he was ce…

Charging someone for what you can prove != 'political motivation.'

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by justinator » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:24 PM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #39

danso wrote: post #29

Seriously disappointing news. Shkreli seemed like such an obvious troll in how he defended his price gouging by saying that a CEO's role is to maximize profit for the benefit of shareholders...and yet did so in such an unnecessarily obnoxious way that if he truly were the uber-capitalist, he would know that bragging and drawing attention to what an asshole you are does not achieve the true capitalist goal. I would've…

So, if not a troll / performance artist, what is he then? Just a very stupid person with a bloated ego? How does someone so stupid make it to CEO of a pharmaceutical company at 32?

sociopath?

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by samstave » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:24 PM UTC

spdionis wrote: post #79

AVTizzle wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The Wolf of Wall Street was a glorification of this type of behavior and a lot of people saw Jordan in that movie as a "Hero" Interesting analogy, and I'm glad you pointed this out. I was disgusted by Wolf of Wall Street, and even more disgusted by how exalted Belfort became after. So many friends and acquaintances admired and aspired towards what they saw in the film - that was the worst part of it for me. I just…

OT but i'm happy to see someone else was also disgusted so much by that movie. I'm not a moralist but the glorification of such degenerated values in that movie was horrible to watch.

I loved the movie!

It was great inspiration for me to hope that one day I could hope to take a bunch of SSRI drugs and go on a murderous rampage in some random Wall Street hedge fund office!

(I'm mostly kidding)

Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:25 PM UTC

gohrt wrote: post #66

skrebbel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, if not a troll / performance artist, what is he then? Just a very stupid person with a bloated ego? How does someone so stupid make it to CEO of a pharmaceutical company at 32?

Lex Luthor and Mr Glass did horrible things intentionally to inspire humanity to find its strength / find a superhero.

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Re: Martin Shkreli indictment [pdf]

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Post by rconti » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 8:26 PM UTC

spdionis wrote: post #79

AVTizzle wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The Wolf of Wall Street was a glorification of this type of behavior and a lot of people saw Jordan in that movie as a "Hero" Interesting analogy, and I'm glad you pointed this out. I was disgusted by Wolf of Wall Street, and even more disgusted by how exalted Belfort became after. So many friends and acquaintances admired and aspired towards what they saw in the film - that was the worst part of it for me. I just…

OT but i'm happy to see someone else was also disgusted so much by that movie. I'm not a moralist but the glorification of such degenerated values in that movie was horrible to watch.

Loved the movie. Doesn't mean I want to be like him. One of my favorite movies, The Talented Mr Ripley, leaves you feeling unsatisfied about the conclusion-- not a typical Hollywood ending.

Boiler Room is also a favorite, which of course is related to Wolf of Wall Street.