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Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

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Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

#11
"Ditching" Bitcoin? Wouldn't that imply that they had previously adopted Bitcoin to some meaningful extent?

Bitcoin is merely proof of concept for the underlying technology. I expect that there will be many more offshoots in the future, beyond the pieces used by the existing banking system. But I won't really care about any of them, until one of them allows me to work, buy, and sell without being forced to trust any third party that I find to be intrinsically untrustworthy--including governments, banks, cartel enforcers, mobsters, miner brigades, and Anonymous.

Not there yet. This isn't even a step in that direction.

But what I do like about this is that it may have the potential to simplify mutual insurance, interbank settlement, and securities exchanges. It would be nice if the funds from an electronic transfer to my spouse could be made available faster than writing out a paper check and depositing it at a branch ATM. I would also be particularly interested if it could end certain semi-fraudulent practices, such as short positions that are not appropriately matched against a long counterparty, or speculative phantom commodities contracts that are never actually redeemed by delivery.

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

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Reading the participants' comments below the announcement, most of them speak of an open/distributed ledger, not Bitcoin's blockchain. So it seems they really are ditching the original blockchain.

IBM intends to contribute tens of thousands of lines of its existing codebase and its corresponding intellectual property to this open source community. Digital Asset is contributing the Hyperledger mark, which will be used as the project name, as well as enterprise grade code and developer resources. R3 is contributing a new financial transaction architectural framework designed to specifically meet the requirements of its global bank members and other financial institutions. These technical contributions, among others from a variety of companies, will be reviewed in detail in the weeks ahead by the formation and Technical Steering Committees.

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

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post #9

Here is the press release: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2015... And the website: https://blockchain.linuxfoundation.org/ Please post if there is any more information.

There are some more technical details at https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/gcuomo/en...

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

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post #4

So what is going to replace miners? What incentive will people have to verify the integrity of this new blockchain? Is it still vulnerable to 51% attacks?

https://www.stellar.org/blog/stellar-consensus-protocol-proo... ?

But seriously, "OBC currently offers two implementations of PBFT (Practical Byzantine Fault Tolerant) consensus, as a means to validate transactions".

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

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post #13

Reading the participants' comments below the announcement, most of them speak of an open/distributed ledger, not Bitcoin's blockchain. So it seems they really are ditching the original blockchain. IBM intends to contribute tens of thousands of lines of its existing codebase and its corresponding intellectual property to this open source community. Digital Asset is contributing the Hyperledger mark, which will be used…

    "enterprise grade code"
What does that even mean? I read that and think to myself "cowboy generated spaghetti code with more bugs and more technical debt".

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

#17
I just hope that any solution adopted doesn't aid or reinforce cartel-like behavior. We already have a financial system where the incumbents can easily block the entrance of a new, nimbler upstart that would disrupt existing institutions and increase productivity.

The article even mentioned at least one existing institution that has an incentive to preserve the problem to which they are the solution:

    "Indeed, some companies involved in the project may feel 
    threatened by existing efforts to reinvent the financial markets 
    with the blockchain. State Street bank, for instance, stands to 
    lose if companies start using Overstock’s technology to borrow 
    stock. In the US, the stock loan business is a $954 billion 
    market; State Street, known as an agent lender, is a big part of 
    that. Its future depends on getting ahead of the game.
Relevant: "The Shirky Principle" by Kevin Kelly

http://kk.org/thetechnium/the-shirky-prin/

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

#18
entrepreneur: "About your open blockchain project, sir." IBM PR correspondent: "Yes, what about?" entrepreneur: "Well, it's closed source. I don't see public repositories anywhere for it." IBM PR correspondent: "No it's not closed source! It's just not available to you or anyone who doesn't have access to our network. Just ask our business partners if it's open." The Linux Foundation: "Of course it's open! Open to US!"

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

#19
It makes sense for the banks to do this, because they have different requirements.

Bitcoin is great because it works with an unknown set of untrusted entities, and there's no counterparty risk because the ledger is the currency.

Banks have a known set of semi-trusted entities, and want to track off-chain assets. They'll still have counterparty risk, but if they see a way to use chained blocks and something like Byzantine Paxos to speed up interbank settlement, more power to 'em.

Re: Tech and Banking Giants Ditch Bitcoin for Their Own Blockchain

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post #18

entrepreneur: "About your open blockchain project, sir." IBM PR correspondent: "Yes, what about?" entrepreneur: "Well, it's closed source. I don't see public repositories anywhere for it." IBM PR correspondent: "No it's not closed source! It's just not available to you or anyone who doesn't have access to our network. Just ask our business partners if it's open." The Linux Foundation: "Of course it's open! Open to US…

Here's the github link :-)

https://github.com/hyperledger/hyperledger

TLDR: there's no code in that repo.

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