Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

Post by justicezyx » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 5:03 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #187

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #150

I'm a judge in Brazil. Your comment history says otherwise: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4167143 Seem to be a run of the mill dev to me. I'm surprised you got as many credulous responses as you did.

There's a large number of HN posters who just come in and turn everything into an anti-US screed. This guy took something unforgivable in Brazil and turned it into a very questionable commentary about the NSA and pretty much blaming the US for all the world's woes. I believe there is a lot of evidence of autocratic regimes like Russia and China paying people to promote anti-US views. Who knows if this guy is one of t…

Post by bmelton » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 5:09 PM UTC

Brakenshire wrote: post #201

bmelton wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No right is absolute, and that includes the right to privacy. Criminals, for example, simply don't have it. I know nothing of Brazilian law, but in America, criminals have rights, including the right to privacy. Convicted criminals and convicted felons do not, but that is an entirely different category, and your wording seems woefully imprecise. > Do you guys think that pedophiles, terrorists and drug dealers have…

> I know nothing of Brazilian law, but in America, criminals have rights, including the right to privacy. I think your post rests on uncharitably interpreting what he means by absolute rights. Your post itself is a demonstration that the right to privacy is not absolute - if the criteria you describe are met, a wiretap can be permitted. He was talking about the fundamental question of whether or not a state has the r…

Post by AndrewKemendo » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 5:14 PM UTC

danilocesar wrote: post #203

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #150

I'm a judge in Brazil. Your comment history says otherwise: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4167143 Seem to be a run of the mill dev to me. I'm surprised you got as many credulous responses as you did.

Well, looks like he is a judge. He owns https://github.com/feliperaul . The guy who owns that vacation website he mentioned is named "Felipe Raul Benali", from Maringa, and he uses the same nickname (pqdbr) in some other websites. There's a judge named "Felipe Raul Borges Benali", from the same city, and crossing https://medium.com/@felipebenali , http://jus.com.br/313522-felipe-raul-borges-benali/publicaco... and hi…

Post by Karunamon » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 5:24 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #186

teekert wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No right is absolute, and that includes the right to privacy. Criminals, for example, simply don't have it." You determine who is a criminal so you determine who has the right to privacy? Maybe you are a reasonable person but I think it is naive to operate under the assumption that governments/judges will always be reasonable. I think indeed that you may be spied upon when you are suspect of a crime but to force Wha…

I think the right to privacy should not be absolute, it must be balanced against other rights. Same goes for the right to free speech. For example, if someone is broadcasting to 1 million people, their message should adhere to some standards. If something is really a popular message, it can be spread using "totally protected" speech to up to 1000 people at a time. I think giving a platform to ISIS and others to easil…

Post by btreecat » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 5:38 PM UTC

pqdbr wrote: post #72

caio1982 wrote: post #32

What really happened: a drug smuggler with ties to a major criminal organization had been investigated and sentenced several months ago and since July Facebook and WhatsApp folks had not complied (actually they simply ignored all requests) with some users data the justice demanded to keep prosecuting the guy and his associates. Allegedly, according to the new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Civil_Rights_Frame…

The order wasn't super broad, it was actually specific to a single individual, like you said. Also, even if it was broad, you don't get to ignore judicial orders. You answer to them giving your reasons and appealing if you don't agree. Ignoring them will get you either punished or arrested. WhatsApp notoriously doesn't even have an office in Brazil. No way to even get a judicial order to them. Facebook, the parent co…