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Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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At this point, I wonder whether it wouldn't be easier to bundle linux and wine together.

What if you want to run vendor provided Windows-only binary drives for some weird hardware?

Those 0.1% of the users are likely going to have to buy Windows. After 17 years of development, ReactOS is not really usable with mainstream hardware, so it is unlikely to be a solution for weird hardware.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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I replied to your post because I saw it first. Had I seen the others at the time, I might have just moved on.

What I understand when people say the PC is dying is not that people will not touch a desktop or laptop at all in the foreseeable future but rather that the growth in sales will be much sharpernwith phones and tabletsbthan with desktop and laptop devices. They're not making broad, futuristic predictions. They're just trying to make sense of the market. The fact that Apple released a whole line of iPads kindnof shows…

Moore's Law is slowing down, and PCs and laptops are having longer effective lifetimes. I've got an eight year old laptop that's still serviceable - actually runs better with Windows 10 than it did with the Vista that came on it. It's not obsolescence every eighteen months any more. That's where phones are now. In a few years, they'll mature, and it'll be how VR goggles or the next gewgaw are killing the PC. Meanwhile PCs will still be there anywhere actual work and creation needs to happen.

Or maybe I'm a prematurely old man, who's looking for kids to yell at about getting off his lawn. But I haven't found a use for tablets other than watching TV or reading, and I can't even really do those functions on a phone. Much less use a phone as a phone. What percentage of smartphones are primarily used as uber-expensive, complicated digital watches or alarm clocks?

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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This is one OS I've kept my eye on forever, though it feels as though Microsoft will go open source before ReactOS can catch up if anything. I wouldn't mind if certain parts of Windows were open sourced, or replaced by open sourced alternatives at least, not all of Windows. We saw this happen to the Open Live Writer.

Microsoft already kinda went open source, unintentionally :) http://www.opennt.net/ interesting thread documenting start of OpenNT project http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=33250 from broken code base that would not compile to booting ~Windows 2003 compiled from source.

The NT 4.0 source code leak was in 1999 or so. How did it take so long for a compilation project to get underway?

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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It seems to me like Microsoft is trying to position themselves more as a Google-type entity. In the past, they were a massive proprietary corporation focused on Windows. Nobody cares about computers anymore (thanks smartphones, tablets!), and so Windows will go down the drain eventually. Not to mention Linux and OSX market share increasing. Not today, not tomorrow, but the writing's on the wall. Open source to get de…

> Nobody cares about computers anymore (thanks smartphones, tablets!), and so Windows will go down the drain eventually Not holding my breath for that.

Agree, but with a disclaimer: I have a feeling the biggest part of Windows' marketshare 20 years from now will be Windows Server Core instances (running on Azure and elsewhere), with "Windows as PC software" no longer contributing much-at-all to the bottom line, and possibly made entirely free. Business workstations (everything currently running Windows Enterprise) will run something-or-other-that-doesn't-matter that can run Microsoft Remote Desktop, and apps will mostly be delivered via RemoteApp connections to said Windows Server Core clusters.

Microsoft is becoming a cloud company, and enterprises are finally starting to accept thin clients (because now thin clients are actually kind of fat, and thus much less annoying to use.) Windows-on-the-desktop will basically be in a race against ChromeOS, which is fundamentally a thin-client OS as well.

(Meanwhile, OSX will probably... continue to just be OSX. Unless Apple has some big new shift in vision, they're nowhere near being a cloud company, and OSX is nowhere near being a thin-client OS.)

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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It seems to me like Microsoft is trying to position themselves more as a Google-type entity. In the past, they were a massive proprietary corporation focused on Windows. Nobody cares about computers anymore (thanks smartphones, tablets!), and so Windows will go down the drain eventually. Not to mention Linux and OSX market share increasing. Not today, not tomorrow, but the writing's on the wall. Open source to get de…

> Nobody cares about computers anymore You know, it was annoying when people started to say those computers you carry with yourself the entire day were not "personal computers". Now you are trying to say they are not even "computers"! I just hope the world ignores your labels.

Every label gets stuck to its progenitor. The first things that we owned that were computers get called computers. The second set of things we own, that are also computers, but have some other defining qualities, get called something else to distinguish them from the first thing.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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A serious question: When will we see a truly new OS built from the ground up? If there is a space where there seems to be little innovation it is in the space of new OS paradigms. Flavors of Windows or Linux - are there really any commercially ready alternatives today or in the very near future?

How about an operating system that doesn't execute native code directly anymore. No Segfaults. All programs live in the same VM space.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me like Microsoft is trying to position themselves more as a Google-type entity. In the past, they were a massive proprietary corporation focused on Windows. Nobody cares about computers anymore (thanks smartphones, tablets!), and so Windows will go down the drain eventually. Not to mention Linux and OSX market share increasing. Not today, not tomorrow, but the writing's on the wall. Open source to get de…

> Nobody cares about computers anymore (thanks smartphones, tablets!), and so Windows will go down the drain eventually Not holding my breath for that.

Desktop use is shrinking compared to alternatives --- especially mobile. In developing countries, many people use smartphones as their only form of access to the internet.

People aren't saying that desktops etc are going to disappear, but that the cash cow in the next decade is probably going to have a much smaller form factor and a different OS from your traditional desktop.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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> Nobody cares about computers anymore (thanks smartphones, tablets!), and so Windows will go down the drain eventually Not holding my breath for that.

Agree, but with a disclaimer: I have a feeling the biggest part of Windows' marketshare 20 years from now will be Windows Server Core instances (running on Azure and elsewhere), with "Windows as PC software" no longer contributing much-at-all to the bottom line, and possibly made entirely free. Business workstations (everything currently running Windows Enterprise) will run something-or-other-that-doesn't-matter that…

Apple is a hardware company, too.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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If ReactOS provides a Windows 98/ME like interface and icons and rest of the UI/UX, I would definitely donate to the project and will install it on one of my home computers. I love when software reminds me of my childhood. :)

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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A serious question: When will we see a truly new OS built from the ground up? If there is a space where there seems to be little innovation it is in the space of new OS paradigms. Flavors of Windows or Linux - are there really any commercially ready alternatives today or in the very near future?

Serious OS research has tended to get stuck in academia and research labs for the past ~20 years; probably something to do with the worse-is-better pricnciple. L4 [1] has managed to sneak into a lot of phones in basebands and "security processors", though.

[1] http://www.l4hq.org/

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