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Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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This is one OS I've kept my eye on forever, though it feels as though Microsoft will go open source before ReactOS can catch up if anything. I wouldn't mind if certain parts of Windows were open sourced, or replaced by open sourced alternatives at least, not all of Windows. We saw this happen to the Open Live Writer.

Windows is complex enough that I think so. I am thinking of breaking up Microsoft's OS division into a non-profit foundation, funded by hardware vendors like Dell and Intel with no per system licensing fees required anymore for example.

The DOJ wanted to break Microsoft up into different companies like they did to AT&T. They would have been called the Baby Bills, and one would do Windows all by itself, and another would do Internet sites and apps, and another games, and another apps, and another developer tools.

But that didn't happen and Microsoft got a slap on the wrist instead.

Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused their monopoly, some people and companies are stuck with Microsoft because their business needs Windows to run their custom apps.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is complex enough that I think so. I am thinking of breaking up Microsoft's OS division into a non-profit foundation, funded by hardware vendors like Dell and Intel with no per system licensing fees required anymore for example.

The DOJ wanted to break Microsoft up into different companies like they did to AT&T. They would have been called the Baby Bills, and one would do Windows all by itself, and another would do Internet sites and apps, and another games, and another apps, and another developer tools. But that didn't happen and Microsoft got a slap on the wrist instead. Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused…

I know, and simply breaking up the OS division the traditional way would not solve the problems anyway. That is why I suggested a better idea this time.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is complex enough that I think so. I am thinking of breaking up Microsoft's OS division into a non-profit foundation, funded by hardware vendors like Dell and Intel with no per system licensing fees required anymore for example.

The DOJ wanted to break Microsoft up into different companies like they did to AT&T. They would have been called the Baby Bills, and one would do Windows all by itself, and another would do Internet sites and apps, and another games, and another apps, and another developer tools. But that didn't happen and Microsoft got a slap on the wrist instead. Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused…

    Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because
    Microsoft had abused their monopoly, some people
    and companies are stuck with Microsoft because
    their business needs Windows to run their custom
    apps.
Citation needed. I migrated to Mac OS X in 2000[1] because it was a Unix-like operating system with a usable UI that worked well on a laptop[2].

Also, there were to be two companies, not five[3].

Of course, I might be biased because I worked for Microsoft for four years in the 00's. So take this for what you will.

[1] Yes, the public beta.

[2] OK, let's be honest, it worked tolerably. It didn't get good until 10.2'ish.

[3] http://money.cnn.com/2000/06/07/technology/microsoft_ruling/

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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post #38
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is complex enough that I think so. I am thinking of breaking up Microsoft's OS division into a non-profit foundation, funded by hardware vendors like Dell and Intel with no per system licensing fees required anymore for example.

Generous of you. What about the effect on pension funds that hold this now worthless stock? Grants to employees? The thousands of job losses?

Yea, it would be complex and have to be planned carefully too.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DOJ wanted to break Microsoft up into different companies like they did to AT&T. They would have been called the Baby Bills, and one would do Windows all by itself, and another would do Internet sites and apps, and another games, and another apps, and another developer tools. But that didn't happen and Microsoft got a slap on the wrist instead. Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused…

I know, and simply breaking up the OS division the traditional way would not solve the problems anyway. That is why I suggested a better idea this time.

You designed... what?

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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The parent post didn't say anything thoughtful. The same spiel about Windows going down the drain has been repeated for years. People not using computers is just mindlessly repeated these days. You're asking me to provide data or links to other arguments but the initial statement provided neither. Why did you call my comment out but not the other two similar responses to the same line? I could say that you proved my…

I replied to your post because I saw it first. Had I seen the others at the time, I might have just moved on.

What I understand when people say the PC is dying is not that people will not touch a desktop or laptop at all in the foreseeable future but rather that the growth in sales will be much sharpernwith phones and tabletsbthan with desktop and laptop devices. They're not making broad, futuristic predictions. They're just trying to make sense of the market. The fact that Apple released a whole line of iPads kindnof shows this. That is just my opinio though.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DOJ wanted to break Microsoft up into different companies like they did to AT&T. They would have been called the Baby Bills, and one would do Windows all by itself, and another would do Internet sites and apps, and another games, and another apps, and another developer tools. But that didn't happen and Microsoft got a slap on the wrist instead. Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused…

Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused their monopoly, some people and companies are stuck with Microsoft because their business needs Windows to run their custom apps. Citation needed. I migrated to Mac OS X in 2000[1] because it was a Unix-like operating system with a usable UI that worked well on a laptop[2]. Also, there were to be two companies, not five[3]. Of course, I might be bi…

How can I cite thoughts in people's heads? Their opinions on why they switched? Apple did a series of commercials about switching to Macs and cited the problems in Windows. The FOSS community has been promoting GNU/Linux as an alternative to Windows for a long time now. This is common sense stuff that I shouldn't have to find a news media source on, because the news media doesn't cover that sort of stuff.

Most business software is written for Windows, some businesses develop their own custom apps or use Excel and MS-Office. So it isn't easy to migrate from Windows to GNU/Linux for them. I know this from experience as I worked at places like that. It is stuff that the news media won't report on, the business lock-in and when you Google Windows business lock in you get Windows apps for Business results so you can't find anything about the lock-in.

But back on topic ReactOS doesn't run the business apps a lot of companies rely on, so it isn't a good alternative to Windows yet for them.

ReactOS is for hobbyists right now because it is still in the alpha stage and not ready for Prime Time yet.

Edit: Typo

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people migrated to GNU/Linux or Mac because Microsoft had abused their monopoly, some people and companies are stuck with Microsoft because their business needs Windows to run their custom apps. Citation needed. I migrated to Mac OS X in 2000[1] because it was a Unix-like operating system with a usable UI that worked well on a laptop[2]. Also, there were to be two companies, not five[3]. Of course, I might be bi…

How can I cite thoughts in people's heads? Their opinions on why they switched? Apple did a series of commercials about switching to Macs and cited the problems in Windows. The FOSS community has been promoting GNU/Linux as an alternative to Windows for a long time now. This is common sense stuff that I shouldn't have to find a news media source on, because the news media doesn't cover that sort of stuff. Most busine…

Yes, it is common sense stuff, but the point is that many switched not because of the famous MS anti-trust rulings as you implied in the original post.

Re: ReactOS, a 17-year quest for an open-source Windows, has a new release candidate

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post #44
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generous of you. What about the effect on pension funds that hold this now worthless stock? Grants to employees? The thousands of job losses?

Yea, it would be complex and have to be planned carefully too.

I love this reply. It made me smile
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