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Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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So, the alternative is what? Allow wages to move toward zero? Then what?

Allow competetion to set the wages, just like all other prices. Singapore doesn't have a minimum, and wages there are not zero. (Neither did Germany until recently.)

Singapore wages aren't zero but they are really low for the non-managerial classes (i.e. the people who do all the work) and oversized for the managerial classes.

It's about 3x the size of San Francisco and clearly has aspirations of becoming a similar center for startups but with the prevailing wages for the people who do all the actual work so low the quality of what is produced is usually shitty.

It's not a place you'd want to emulate.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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But existing bond investments will lose value because of selloffs :-(

Just hold them to maturity and there's no issue.

Holding bonds to maturity vs. selling them and buying new bonds doesn't actually change the financial result. You could equally say "just sell them and buy new higher-yielding bonds and there's no issue," since the resulting yield over the whole period would be equal.

Whether or not there's an issue depends whether your investment horizon matches your bond duration, or alternatively, whether you're comfortable with (or even aware of) the amount of rate risk you're taking compared with the return you're getting.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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Consumer demand is meaningless. Trying to push it is like trying to push a string. Demand is an artefact of production. Unless your economy is producing, you won't increase quality of life and wealth for all citizens. This point is obvious, but gets completely lost in all the frenzy around 'stimulating demand'. To buy something, first you have to produce something worthy of exchange. Everyone has to start from this p…

Sort of.... you want more stuff if you have more money, but if you have little money, at one point, your propensity to save increases to avoid poverty, whereas below some point I imagine you spend everything you have (not much) as fast as it comes in.

Demand is not want. Demand is standing at a cash register with cash, asking for a product.

Although demand in the economic sense sort-of-sounds like want - certainly I'd like a new Lamborghini - I have zero effect on the demand for lamborghinis.

The level of spending (poverty vs wealth) is mostly irrelevant because that's a value line someone draws on a graph somewhere. Poverty in the Midwest is not the same as poverty in Sub-Saharan Africa. Absolute Poverty (in which a person has insufficient resources to survive) has a wide variety of causes but essentially reduces down to the inability of an individual or family to produce enough to exchange for what they need.

Savings are just postponed consumption in the same way as debt is the promise to hand over your future production.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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>We need the Federal government to stimulate aggregate demand at the consumer level. How? Investing tax dollars in a smarter manner Everyone - and I do mean everyone - would be better off if the fed government (and state and local) invested those tax dollars smarter by leaving the majority of them in the hands of those that earnt them . "There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money o…

In terms of stimulating aggregate demand, transfers to people who will spend the money are more effective than transfers to people who spend less (i.e. save more). In practice that means food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc. are more effective than tax cuts directed at high earners.

There is no level on which I agree with you. To me it's self evident, but it would seem your beliefs are fixed so I won't further fight against them.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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increasing the minimum wage Be careful what you wish for: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/03/how... legislation increasing entitlements such as social security Expected to run structural deficits by a certain point. Theoretically speaking, an endogenously determined fiat money system doesn't really have "government debt" what with it being the sovereign issuer of debt to begin with, but in reali…

>Be careful what you wish for: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/03/how... . tl;dr if you raise the minimum wage imperceptibly, poverty reduction is affected imperceptibly and prices are affected imperceptibly. In general if something will have a negative effect on corporate profits (minimum wage hikes have an outsized effect on corporate profits) you will be able to find a legion of economists wh…

The reason many economists are unsure or against the minimum wage is not because they're some agents of bourgeoisie capitalists, but because arguments in favor of it tend to be moral, not economic.

For instance, here's a case for the minimum wage presented by an (otherwise very knowledgeable, I'll grant) Post-Keynesian economist: http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-e...

It's pretty weak. The first two are very flimsy normative/moral arguments that, even if true, do not at all imply minimum wage is the solution over say, basic income, unionization, community-based mutual credit or a variety of other initiatives.

The third one is a can opener assumption. "Oh, minimum wage might work, but only in the case of Post-Keynesian full employment with buffer stocks of labor." You might as well speak of spherical cows in a vacuum. Followed by an unsourced claim about post-WWII prosperity being strictly due to Keynesian policies, when there's no consensus what factors exactly caused it.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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If you want to stimulate aggregate demand at the consumer level, you need more people to have good jobs, so they can make money, so they can spend money. This would represent a reversal of the trend since 1970 towards greater income inequality. It is not clear to me that anyone is doing anything about that (except, of course, in the negative sense.)

Consumer demand is meaningless. Trying to push it is like trying to push a string. Demand is an artefact of production. Unless your economy is producing, you won't increase quality of life and wealth for all citizens. This point is obvious, but gets completely lost in all the frenzy around 'stimulating demand'. To buy something, first you have to produce something worthy of exchange. Everyone has to start from this p…

> To buy something, first you have to produce something worthy of exchange. Everyone has to start from this point.

But so many people from the Marxist-leaning schools just don't and refuse to, because at its core this belief destroys pretty much every argument they make about moving from a market-based system to a collective one.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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Does it matter though? 21st Century, everyone with savings can open a Vanguard mutual fund account with the risk/reward profile of their choosing, that's almost as convenient wrt withdrawals.

I have yet to be convinced there's no downside to everyone piling into ETFs in Vanguard. Also, funds are traditionally not FDIC insured as checking and savings accounts. Money market funds have broken the buck before. Its rare, but can happen.

The downside of everyone piling into index funds isn't something systemic that'll bring down the financial system the way the real estate bubble did. Rather, it's that the capital market as a whole becomes less efficient. All the money parked in index funds is money whose owners did no due-diligence about where they put it; it means that if reality changes and the value of the underlying businesses goes up or down, the index fund will be the last to profit from it, and we can expect price changes in the stock market to lag fundamental changes in the businesses by a greater time period.

The effect of this is basically that returns for active smart-money investors go up, as there's less competition amongst folks actively trying to discover new relevant business facts. We see this already - a lot of the wealth-creation in Silicon Valley is because folks who have an information advantage can invest in new private businesses before the general public is willing or able to invest in them, creating large private fortunes. But because the price mechanism lags the business reality in this case, you don't have crises where a large number of people suddenly find out that they are poorer than they expected, like the 2008 housing bust and 2001 dot-com crash. Rather, you end up with chronic societal inequality where a small number of people end up with fortunes that everyone else thinks are implausibly large.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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Malinvestment in incorrect production is part of the process. The person who produces unwanted goods and services must gain the feedback that they have, so they can switch production to what is desired. This is a very important reason why crony capitalism, protectionism and secession regulation hurts everyone. I have never stated that 'if you build it they will come', because that is patently false. This is a common…

You're arguing that a glut is due to producing what is not desired, instead of what is desired. So when there is a glut in one area, there must be corresponding shortages in other areas. This is easy to debunk. Look at the labor market. The US unemployment rate went from ~4.5% in 2007 to 10% in 2010: a big labor glut. The "malinvestment" theory predicts unfulfilled demand comparable in size to the unemployment. Large…

I don't agree with the statement that a glut in one area must equal a surplus elsewhere. You've added at interpretation to my statement.

If a person produces hot pink sweaters and finds nobody wants them, that doesn't mean there is a shortage of blue sweaters, or even sweaters in general. Additionally, it might mean that people might want hot pink sweaters, but not at the price being asked.

Taking this back to labor markets, surplus labor (unemployment) is indeed oversupply, that much we are agreed. But you must break this down further - it is an oversupply of specific types of labor at specific rates. You could clear that labor oversupply by switching the supply by changing the type of labor being offered, and also by changing the price. For example I'd happily pay someone to do work for me at lower rates than currently offered, but that market doesn't usually clear. Changing the price doesn't happen often for regulatory reasons or stickiness, but changing the nature of labor supply often does. It's just that the timescales involved involve a lot of problems.

The solution to that is to identify reason why mal investment occurs and to avoid anything that contributes to it. I don't think it can be totally avoided due to human nature - hubris, mistakes and misfortune - but you can certainly avoid some of the obvious ones, like rigging credit markets and trying to centrally plan economies.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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The Federal Government's expenditures needs to be a lot lower than it is across the board. It needs a serious dose of efficiency. The borrowing alone impacts all business and individuals simply because it removes money from individuals directly and indirectly which slows the economy, puts pressure on future governments to raise taxes furthering the loss of spending by individuals, and lastly leads to uncertainty in t…

>Look up the term dead weight losses to get an idea of how bad government spending is for the economy versus private spending. Look up the term Fiscal Multiplier to get an idea how good government spending is for the economy vs private spending.

We have indeed seen it in action since 2008, to horrific results.

$9+ trillion in new public debt added in eight years, to go with ~$11 trillion in additional government spending, boosting federal spending by nearly 1/2, to achieve the slowest average growth in non-recessionary times in US history, and the slowest employment recovery in US history.

More typically you get examples like the governments of Japan and China, which over-spent by the trillions of dollars and misallocated resources on purpose to fake economic prosperity that doesn't really exist so their citizens don't get upset. To say nothing of the favor and bribe based system large governments always operate by - so eloquently demonstrated by the entirely worthless American Recovery and Reinvest Act - in which they choose to allocate resources to their favorite causes (or to build things that aren't even needed) instead of to the most productive outcomes.

China is providing an amazing example of how incompetent command spending always is in an economy. Inevitably when the tide goes out, the fraud begins to reek. In the case of China, they've been busy arresting people to make it look like they're doing something about the vast corruption they've caused through distorting the economy to a truly massive degree. They caused the problems, and then arrest people for their own incompetence. The big difference with the US, is the US doesn't arrest its executives based on the mistakes the Fed made in intentionally creating asset bubbles that inevitably collapsed.

Re: Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era

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So, the alternative is what? Allow wages to move toward zero? Then what?

Allow competetion to set the wages, just like all other prices. Singapore doesn't have a minimum, and wages there are not zero. (Neither did Germany until recently.)

Not all other prices are set by competition. There's much manipulation through things like subsidies, tariffs, tax incentives, and bailouts.

Also, having lived in Singapore for years, it's a wonderful city and I love it, but the wage story isn't necessarily one to mimic. It might look grand as a foreigner, but your cleaning lady is probably sharing a 3 bedroom apartment with 16+ other women and doesn't see her family more than a few times a year.

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