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I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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post #74

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I guess English is not your first language? I can't understand anything past "been", which is surprising given how easily I understood your last question.

That was a reference to a meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/has-anyone-really-been-far-eve...

Yeah, sorry, I graduated junior high a while ago. The guy probably assumed I was disagreeing with him, which is fair, I suppose.

(But anyway thanks for educating me.)

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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> and phrases like "most of whom can't even swap a tire for a donut without calling AAA" are clearly meant to have an element of humor to them. Its seems quite likely to be (insulting) hyperbole, but I don't see the humor. (I suppose it kind of sounds funny if you aren't used to the use of the term "donut" to refer to a reduce-size, limited-speed spare tire, since talking about swapping a tire for a donut would in th…

It is a rather wry sense of humor being displayed here.

I love wry humour, but being insulting with wry humour is still being insulting. You don't get a pass on abuse "because rhetoric".

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Ideological homogeneity isn't the starting condition it's the ending condition, the achieved goal. How could you see that homogeneity and then say "this could be an issue only in an incredibly tribal ideological environment" and not realize that's exactly what academia is and has been for a long time? Have you not read your Saul Alinsky? There's a reason his devotee is the top prez nominee (Clinton). Climate conferen…

> Climate conferences, academia

Are you sure the two are exactly alike? I realize there's a lot of soft science that's ridiculous, but it's generally accepted that global warming exists.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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I am not sure how else to interpret a post wherein someone relates something personal and then the first sentence of the follow up tells them they're wrong.

What was called wrong was the generalization about the left which started the post, not the personal experience offered after it. At least, the "unless..." which qualifies the statement about wrongness only makes any sense as a qualifier to a rejection of the generalization, not the specific personal experience story, so there is no other reasonable way to interpret the post.

I have gone back and re-read that post again.

You are correct. I was wrong.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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post #75

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being forced to pray at school events is pretty simple, the teacher asks "why aren't you praying?" and sends you to the principals office. nobody within a 200mi radius of you thinks that there is anything wrong with this because "it's the way it's always been" and there's no higher power to appeal to, so... how can you "have an honest dialogue" with someone that thinks that you are going to burn in Hell and tells you…

No, that's a mild punishment for not praying at a school event. That is not forcing you to pray, you can continue to refuse to pray in that case. Were you somehow forced to pray once you got to the principal's office? There is always a higher power to appeal to unless the head of your country's government and legal system agrees with the sentiment. I agree it's a hard path to take, but the option is there. I guess in…

> No, that's a mild punishment for not praying at a school event. That is not forcing you to pray

Imposing punishments for failure to comply is coercion, and fairly described as forcing, or at least attempting to force, someone to do the act toward which the coercion is directed.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Is there any evidence that someone rejected him on that basis? I didn't read the whole article in detail, but it seems like a suspicion with nothing to substantiate it, and a lot of hearsay about what some people told him about the risks.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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I'd be interested in hearing if anyone from the UK with a background like this has had a similar experience of prejudice (beyond what I would consider to be background level "you're different"-type feelings). I am always quite shocked to hear of how strong the divide appears to be in the US between, loosely, "religious conservatives" and "non-religious liberals". I've spent approximately zero time in the US, so I can…

I know Top Gear's (previously) Mr. Clarkson always had colorful things to say about what they call "midlanders" which sounds to me like the British version of Midwesterners. No facts there there though, I have no idea how widespread it is.

It doesn't have the same religious dimension - they're basically just the butt of southerner's jokes. There is quite a bit of regionalism in the UK, but it's mostly pretty harmless, and doesn't carry that much bitterness with it.

For example, there's definitely a north-south tension in England, which does have some cultural aspects to it, but it's in a completely different league from the US situation (as far as I understand that), and beyond the occasional mutual quips, you won't see any real discrimination - that's my experience, anyway.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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What school denied him? Because if was a public institution, bad on them. But if it was a private university, then that's their right. Feel free to disagree with them, but a private university is allowed to have political views and admit folks to their programs based political views [1]. [1] http://education-law.lawyers.com/school-law/can-private-scho...

Even then such rules should be specified upfront.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

I don't recognise the prejudice against practical skills in my neck of the woods (CS dept in a UK university) but religious colleagues are quietly looked down upon and sometimes mocked. (Not that there are many of them.) I try as hard as I can not to judge such people myself but will admit to finding it hard to take someone seriously who believes in such stuff. Being able or unable to change a tyre doesn't come close…

Mocking or looking down on people is generally a poor practice.

However, it should not surprise someone in the sciences if they are passed over for job opportunities based on their religious beliefs. Those beliefs may limit your capacity to effectively perform your job.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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post #102

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It is a rather wry sense of humor being displayed here.

I love wry humour, but being insulting with wry humour is still being insulting. You don't get a pass on abuse "because rhetoric".

Isn't being insulting a valid part of humor? And I would hesitate to call such a mild joke "abuse".
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