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I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Yeah, pretty much this. It's also often the case with certain media outlets and politicians too, who make the assumption that anyone who's religious, not socially 'left wing' or anything else is a bigot who should be looked upon with disdain at every possible opportunity. It's great ammunition for certain politicians (like Trump or his UK and European counterparts).

To an European it's always amusing when Americans pretend they have a left wing.

Do you not consider bernie sanders left wing?

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

> For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian

Nothing says "proselytisation" like walking into a different conversation and announcing your passion for religion.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

You are not alone.

So I have the "fancy coastal intelligence" you talk about, or at least the degrees that signify that I do (although I got them in relatively remote places in Kentucky and Tennessee, so not exactly coastal). But I come from a family of school teachers, carpenters, and construction contractors. In other words, the kind of people who do not tolerate a lack of common sense in their children and try to teach it at every possible opportunity from birth on.

I've personally seen this exclusion at work many times. Political correctness police, social justice warriors, whatever you want to call them, don't care for inclusion of anything that doesn't fit their narrative. They will seek out your differing point of view, scream about it, try to isolate you from help, gang up on you, force you to apologize, make you give up, then appeal to higher authorities to marginalize you/exclude you/fire you, then have something like a show trial about you, and then finally declare victory and celebrate. But their celebration will usually contain notes of "well I never intended things to turn out like this!"

Obviously I've seen this whole process happen a time or three in various corporations. Those who were excluded/marginalized/fired often had no real idea what they did in the first place.

That's the end of my rant, which is only tangentially related to yours, but yours resonated with me because a lot of what you said reminds me of myself.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

>most of whom can't even swap a tire for a donut without calling AAA. There's a certain irony here I can't dismiss. You write three paragraphs about being victimized by stereotyping Middle America, then end your rant by.... stereotyping everyone on the east coast (or those who sought extended education).

All of that, and you lock onto something that's clearly a device of rhetoric and not of actual substance?

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

I don't recognise the prejudice against practical skills in my neck of the woods (CS dept in a UK university) but religious colleagues are quietly looked down upon and sometimes mocked. (Not that there are many of them.) I try as hard as I can not to judge such people myself but will admit to finding it hard to take someone seriously who believes in such stuff. Being able or unable to change a tyre doesn't come close to the epistemological facepalm of trusting in the dove from above.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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What school denied him? Because if was a public institution, bad on them. But if it was a private university, then that's their right. Feel free to disagree with them, but a private university is allowed to have political views and admit folks to their programs based political views [1]. [1] http://education-law.lawyers.com/school-law/can-private-scho...

> But if it was a private university, then that's their right. Feel free to disagree with them,

Oh, of course! But disagreement does include saying, 'they have a right to do this, but they are wrong to do so.'

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an European it's always amusing when Americans pretend they have a left wing.

Do you not consider bernie sanders left wing?

He's the leftmost US politician to be noteworthy outside the US, and in good ol' Yurop he'd be at best centre-left.

He's more right than most parties in the European Left bloc, and there's still fringe groups left of those.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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post #42

As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

> For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian Nothing says "proselytisation" like walking into a different conversation and announcing your passion for religion.

Based on my personal experience with being so, delusional people like to have as many conversations as possible about their delusion, because that's how they sustain it.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>most of whom can't even swap a tire for a donut without calling AAA. There's a certain irony here I can't dismiss. You write three paragraphs about being victimized by stereotyping Middle America, then end your rant by.... stereotyping everyone on the east coast (or those who sought extended education).

All of that, and you lock onto something that's clearly a device of rhetoric and not of actual substance?

I disagree that it isn't addressing the substance of the post.

I think it speaks to the heart of it. Please feel free to elaborate on why I'm wrong.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone from the UK with a background like this has had a similar experience of prejudice (beyond what I would consider to be background level "you're different"-type feelings).

I am always quite shocked to hear of how strong the divide appears to be in the US between, loosely, "religious conservatives" and "non-religious liberals". I've spent approximately zero time in the US, so I can't really tell if it is partly an exaggeration, but the feelings certainly seem to run quite strong across the media spectrum.

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