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Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Not for small startup that cries for early adopters...

Are other startup founders and startup folk genuinely worthwhile users?

Depend on your startup niche, some startups offer tools for business owners, startups, marketers, finance etc.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#93
post #77

As the person who started the Product Hunt beatdown last thread, and would like nothing more than to see a good PH competitor, I regrettably have a few issues with this. 1. The hypothetical example you give about the Financial Times writing favorable stories for investors is an example of conflict of interest , which is a different issue than the elitist exclusivity discussed last thread. (And much more gray) 2. As n…

HN submission moderation isn't transparent though? Threads can be disappeared on a moderator's whim.

As someone who has had some small disagreements with dang and I don't always see eye to eye with him;

* the moderators, I believe, really do what they think is best for the community,

* they work hard at a pretty thankless job

* they are pretty transparent and manage their potential conflicts of interest well, which is saying a lot, since action in virtually any thread could presimably be related.

So sure, threads can be disappered by moderators, it is what they are supposed to do. Keep the discussion in a few centralized threads and not 20 blogspam articles. Also, we should be thankful for what we don't see.

So while I thinm you have a relavent point, and they can't be perfect all the time, on balance their pretty sharp people and am thankful for their contribution,

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#94
post #77

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HN submission moderation isn't transparent though? Threads can be disappeared on a moderator's whim.

As someone who has had some small disagreements with dang and I don't always see eye to eye with him; * the moderators, I believe, really do what they think is best for the community, * they work hard at a pretty thankless job * they are pretty transparent and manage their potential conflicts of interest well, which is saying a lot, since action in virtually any thread could presimably be related. So sure, threads ca…

I'm sure the moderators think they're doing their best. But there is no transparency ( e.g. there's nothing like lobste.rs' moderator actions log ), and as a result I'm not at all sure that they are managing conflicts of interest well. The only discussion I was lucky enough to spot in the process of being disappeared was http://readwrite.com/2012/12/03/lets-all-shed-tears-for-the-... which, while not exactly the kindest writing I've ever seen, contained some real insight and was generating a productive discussion - and the conflict of interest is pretty clear. And neither of us have any idea how many other discussions get killed like that.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#95
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I keep seeing these references to money raised in the business it's not, especially not in the San Francisco area. At $6 million you can hire and pay for about 10 to 15 people for a few years at a competitive salary and work from a not completely terrible office. I'd like it if these posts weren't spreading "$N Millions of dollars!" fud so much as if it were some terrible wasteful thing. This is not someone's persona…

10 to 15 people for a few years seems like quite a lot for a 'business' like PH.

Not if you consider they probably want mobile apps for both ios and android as well as a web page and sales. It's hardly anything.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#96

I'm working on a Product Hunt competitor at the moment and I'm looking for a technical co-founder. If anyone is interested, please email or DM me on twitter.

Are you an idea guy, or actually working on the code as well?

If anyone is actually making this and needs a co-founder I can help when I have free time. Not interested in money etc, just to kill free time so I am not in to monetizing it fast. I would prefer to team up with programmer, I am programmer myself, but to busy to do most of it at the moment. I can do testing and helping out though. I have extensive 9 years of IM, marketing and business management experience (all three are on my strong sides). I am working at the moment on a startup, but in few days my work code-wise is done, so I might have some free time here and there.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#97

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For anything early enough such as an MVP, you will be utterly useless. You need a programmer. However a programmer really doesn't need you.

This may or may not be true, but we should be more accepting of people who want to start companies rather than simply telling them they are not necessary.

To be completely honest, idea is just 10% of business. Any one man startup creator will confirm imo. Idea is good, but idea will not get you 50% shares of a project.

Obviously people should open businesses - but hey, there are so many ways to do it. If you have ONLY idea, then do this two steps:

-learn basics of languages needed to start it on Codecademy so you can also help in testing, double checking code and writing some small things - like initial code for the website so the developer can focus on important things

-learn some marketing and business. Those are not that hard actually and best resources are forums imo. Start with Fastlane forum, BHW forum and BuilderSociety. All information you need for making successful startup are on this forums. Then read a bit about other startups on Medium and especially focus on startup postmortem - VERY important to learn from their mistakes.

All of this will take you 2-3 months to learn assuming you spend ~4 hours every day on them. While doing it all socialize like crazy liking and interacting with people from your startups niche on Twitter and Facebook.

Once you are done you have skills necessary to be very good idea co-funder that will bring enough to the table to want 50%.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#98
post #4

I don't think this is going to work. First, ProductHunt and HN are both basically fine as is. Second, the root cause of any issues that both have is basically the same -- almost no one reads or votes on stories from the new page, and the handful that do have all sorts of biases. The reason these communities are able to function despite this is that they have a combination of paid staff and trusted volunteers. Third,…

> Third, the only way to significantly improve upon these sorts of communities would be to build them on the block chain Genuinely interested, if you have the time, what do you mean by this? What problems could be solved by building a community website on top of a blockchain, instead of the current typical votes/comments in a database -> feed sorted by ranking algorithm method, and how?

A lot of the killer algorithms that the blockchain enables probably haven't even been discovered yet, so it's a bit difficult to say. But obviously there are lots of things you can do with reputation, identity, transparency, group decision making, etc., that just aren't really possible today.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#99
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Not sure. A thread with many comments should basically never be [dead]. I think it was a bug squeezed out of the woodwork by unprecedented pressure from flags doing battle with vouches. We've overridden it.

Am I right that flagging this post is misuse of flagging?

I don't think I'd go that far. It mostly overlapped with the other Product Hunt thread, so some people probably flagged it as a quasi-duplicate.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

#100

My number one problem with producthunt, keeping in mind that I still love producthunt for the amount of traffic and customers it got us, is that you can't say anything negative in the comments. Even if it relates to bad science, bad product, etc.... It's all very 'kumbaya' positive, which is fine. That being said, I think ProductHunt will be sufficiently difficult to replicate.

Agreed. For example, there are too many kickstarter products using unproven science being posted onto PH. Like the laser razer for example. I was shocked when I read the comments in the PH post for that and found people praising and backing the product but not questioning it. Would expect more from a community that claims to be from the smartest hub in the world and is made up of engineers, designers, etc. People need to be saved from themselves sometimes.
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