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Angular 2 Beta released

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Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by cheez »

DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by storm with its simplistic component based approach.

React has recently dominated headlines and in another few months, something else will. Meanwhile, people will keep using stuff from 3 years ago.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by scotth »

robwormald wrote: post #49
moogly wrote: post #20

Trying to find info on their packaging story. Last I heard the official tooling seemed to be moving off systemjs+jspm in favour of WebPack, but I don't see any clear info on this; does anyone know? We've started experimenting with systemjs and really like it (though support is a bit limited right now, plus it not really liking PhantomJS/karma), and we want to modernize our Angular 1.x app packaging/loading/bundling,…

We're playing with all manner of tooling here. Our CLI (broccoli based), Webpack, SystemJS / JSPM, Rollup, etc - we'll also be focusing on HTTP/2 as we move forward.

HTTP/2 in what sense?

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by [deleted] »

snickmy wrote: post #90

Angular 2 is late to the party. The user base of Angular 1.x has already moved on. I wish the success of a web framework was a bit more about the technology nature of it rather than the market adoption and hype.

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Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by kayoone »

DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

apart from a few projects that are experimenting with the latest stuff i have seen much more Angular being used in the wild than react in the last year. The project offers i got for react were more of the kind "we are experimenting with this for some small parts" while the big stuff was mostly built in Angular. Also React itself is pretty alpha and introduces breaking changes every now and then which makes it rather painful to update bigger projects.

Personally i love Typescript as well and i am pretty sure NG2 will get a lot of thrust behind it, now that the api is stable.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by mercurial »

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #182
myth_drannon wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

based on HN hiring posts, more companies ask for React than Angular experience. React growth in 2015 is absolutely stunning. http://www.ryan-williams.net/hacker-news-hiring-trends/2015/...

Is HN hiring posts REALLY representative of the industry as a whole? Seems more like the startup scene and often forgets about all the developers out there in corporations, agencies and other work that don't get represented here.

I can say that here in Denmark, the typical reaction to React will be "what is that?". On the other hand, Angular has the reassuring feeling of heavy corporate development which will make people earning their salary by working on management-sanctioned .NET technologies (that is, most developers) all warm and fuzzy.

I think, to a large extent, it depends on people's reaction to the word "framework".

Disclaimer: we switched to React at my company.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by mercurial »

jbeja wrote: post #178
debaserab2 wrote: post #150

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> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

Well React approach of composition has reach even others programming languages and communities and with things like redux and react-hot-loader is a game changer.

> things like redux and react-hot-loader is a game changer.

Totally not inspired by Elm and traditional FRP. I mean, I use it daily and it's great, but you have to realize that a lot of what React brings to the front is bundling some well-known paradigms together.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by hitekker »

pacomerh wrote: post #180
DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

The comparison to React is unfair imo. Angular 1.x is being used very very widely across small and big shops. It just doesn't have the amount of hype React has. I really like what React offers as a new paradigm that leans towards component reusability, functional approaches and a cleaner data flow, but that doesn't mean this will be a solution for everyone. Angular 1.x and 2.x aren't heavy for nothing, it solves an a…

I'm not sure about the point about Angular being used far and wide-- it's true that angular has seen some decent adoption, but I also feel people are trying to move away from it ASAP.

For example, OkCupid (from what I've heard) based its mobile architecture on AngularJS, but then once React matured, they basically declared all their Angular legacy and promptly shifted to doing everything in React.

Even https://www.madewithangular.com/ doesn't make clear how AngularJS is being used in the few websites it showcases. Lyft uses it for its homepage, but it does not use it anywhere else. Likewise, one the homepage for healthcare.gov, one of the websites provided: does it use a lick of "ng-" anything in its HTML.

I don't disagree that Angular solves an additional set of problems, but I think the hype behind React is real, i.e. it's an actually good framework. Also, being an AngularJS developer myself, I too really dislike feeling that I've wasted my time learning yet another piece of tech that will be outmoded in the next year or so.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by mercurial »

chvid wrote: post #184

Angular2 wants dependency injection and for that to work well it needs named interfaces and thus ends up with TypeScript as its first citizen language. This is fair choice but it shows the background of the designers of Angular and that they in some sense really don't grok JavaScript. Here is a blog from mr. Ruby-on-Rails explaining why DI is a stranger in the Ruby world: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2012/depen…

I'm rarely happy about DI containers, but why wouldn't you want inversion of control in Javascript? We've seen how the "let's just monkey-patch because software design is hard" approach works out: it doesn't.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by VeilEm »

sandGorgon wrote: post #185
VeilEm wrote: post #156

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I think Angular is more accessible than React. I don't think React will be adopted as much by non-engineers. React is usually used alongside significant tooling like babel and webpack/browserify and some flux library. It's probably more complex. You can't just drop some js script file in your HTML document and go with that. I say that as someone who thinks React is the future of JavaScript development and there's no…

Yes you can! We are using requirejs, babel,es6 to have a react setup that runs completely in the browser. But for some reason, react makes this information really obscure. It works really well. Including breakpoints in chrome,etc.

It might work for developing, but I don't think it works well for people actually using it, it's too slow.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by woah »

joshfraser wrote: post #154
debaserab2 wrote: post #150

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> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

I just checked Datanyze which crawls the Alexa 1m and more to see which services & libraries websites are using. They've detected 234,003 sites using Angular and 2,069 using React.

Angular is popular among developers who make products for the kind of person who would install the Alexa toolbar.
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