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Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

minimaxir wrote: post #26
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

semimanual It's not semi. That's the core reason why Lamer News had no chance of success, even if their broken software had worked. It's odd that it's a controversial idea. The best Reddit communities are those that are heavily moderated. To admit this is to admit that some people have better taste than others. Maybe that's the controversial bit. But it's the cornerstone of any new successful community. You see it pe…

To clarify, I'm referring to the "second chance" mechanics implemented a few months ago, where an article which got few upvotes may hours later get a spot on the front page and maybe get some upvotes, or when you get an email asking for an invitation to repost. Both processes require a human to determine what is "good" and what is "not good."

Ah. Are you sure it's semimanual? It seems plausible that it could be a mechanical turk.

The only automatic part seems to be the shape of a post's falloff curve. But the falloff shape is probably selected from a list of shapes by a person.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Post by marincounty »

marshray wrote: post #22
dewitt wrote: post #15

I think that people here are way overestimating the importance of Product Hunt.

Having never heard of it before, I place even odds this is all a guerrilla marketing stunt by PH to make itself seem somehow relevant.

I never heard of it either. What else am I missing? Honestly?

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Post by BetterLaunch »

minimaxir wrote: post #7

As the person who started the Product Hunt beatdown last thread, and would like nothing more than to see a good PH competitor, I regrettably have a few issues with this. 1. The hypothetical example you give about the Financial Times writing favorable stories for investors is an example of conflict of interest , which is a different issue than the elitist exclusivity discussed last thread. (And much more gray) 2. As n…

Thank you for the feedback. As a respected community-member here at HN (you), this is exactly the type of feedback and open discussion that I aim to have with the community, which PH does not offer.

1) I understand that the issues compared are different, but I posed a hypothetical scenario of how the issues at PH can go beyond just having a tightly-controlled growth engine for companies PH likes. PH has no ethics-policy (that we know of) and nothing stops A16Z from telling the mods that any product related to A16Z-funded-firms should get top spot at PH.

2) Fair point, but that does not mean we should not try something new :) Afterall, HN is/was an experiment to address the issue of community-decline due to growth. Also, the decline in "Show HN" (almost like second-class-citizen-status) and the fact that PH exists, indicates to some measure that a "launch platform for startups" is relevant.

3) I have added some more details about myself as well as a disclaimer of affiliations (none).

4) I intend to build this alternative with community feedback and as a Proof-of-Concept. I will not dictate "how things go", which is why I value community-feedback so much.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Post by codesushi42 »

How to build a better PH?

Revert to the old PH design. I hadn't checked the site for > 1 month. There is an incredible amount of noise and bloat in the new interface. And it needlessly looks too much like Kickstarter, which arguably has discoverability problems of its own.

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Post by msravi »

volaski wrote: post #24

The problem with these criticism is that they seem to be coming from people who have no idea how Product Hunt works. If you have ever actually had your product featured on PH you would know better than this. Here's how Product Hunt works: 1. There are many of those so called "Insider" users. 2. Then there is a 2nd tier group of users who can comment. 3. Then there's the rest. The tier 1 group is not as small as you t…

Then perhaps PH should be more forthcoming about this hidden "process" and educate the "people who have no idea how Product Hunt works"?

Re: Let's Create a Better Product Hunt

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Post by Alex3917 »

benologist wrote: post #25

helps startups get their 15 minutes and puts them onto the path of success. Has there ever been a startup whose success was because of a PH/HN/Reddit submission?

Dropbox got into YC because of their Show HN submission, and they got a lot of their early users from Digg.
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