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Angular 2 Beta released

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Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by lewisl9029 »

yonibot wrote: post #112

When people point out that Google is behind Angular, they fail to mention that the level of investment is nowhere near that of Facebook in React. I've been loving using React. Building in components is fantastic, and it just feels like writing Javascript. That's a win in my books.

This is a pretty important point to consider.

If Google was as invested in Angular as Facebook was in React, they would probably have gone with a more gradual, methodical approach to improving the framework (like the Ember team did). And until that changes, there is very little stopping them from doing another mostly incompatible rewrite in a few years.

As it stands, Angular 2 is closer to a completely new framework roughly inspired by Angular 1.x than a new version of Angular.

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Post by kls »

Swizec wrote: post #96
um_ya wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never understood why people liked React so much. I don't know why, but mixing javascript and HTML just looks... gross.

Which is why Angular mixes javascript into HTML. So much better. Right? (at least 1.x did)

Thats the paradox you either go one way or the other. The problem with Javascript or something that turns into Javascript in HTML is it can inevitably lead to magic variables. I don't know how many times I have went in to support another developers angular code and found a variable who's origin can be traced to a scope variable which has been declared and initialized in an HTML file and all the sudden is magically being used halfway thru a routine. It's just shy of globals.

At the end of the day you go one way or the other, my preference is the template not having the ability to affect logic as it is not natural to look thru templates to find what is mutating the state of your application. I liked Dojo and I think react is a step back in that direction which in my personal opinion is the right direction for large web application.

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Post by EugeneOZ »

yonibot wrote: post #112

When people point out that Google is behind Angular, they fail to mention that the level of investment is nowhere near that of Facebook in React. I've been loving using React. Building in components is fantastic, and it just feels like writing Javascript. That's a win in my books.

All new Google's project I see use Angular. Fiber, StarWars, Cloud Platform.. all of them.

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Post by EugeneOZ »

morley wrote: post #69

I'm curious what Angular 2 is like for developers who normally write React? I hear 2 is a lot better than 1, but I'm still turned off by the amount of Angular-specific terminology, whereas most of React terminology is not necessarily React-specific.

One of core Angular 2 things is ReactiveX :) https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJS

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Post by snickmy »

cheapsteak wrote: post #110
snickmy wrote: post #90

Angular 2 is late to the party. The user base of Angular 1.x has already moved on. I wish the success of a web framework was a bit more about the technology nature of it rather than the market adoption and hype.

I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate Here's a chart where you can see daily download counts for react, angular, and angular2. http://npmcharts.com/compare/angular,react,angular2 React does indeed have about 4x as many daily downloads, but (Angular 1 + 2)'s download counts are ~5x what they were a year ago. (iirc the ng-europe RIP Angular fiasco happened in October 2014)

I feel people using Angular 2 are people migrating from 1.x so not quite sure if is a correct estimation adding the two values. At the same times, my comment, is based on my gut feelings, nowhere close to a reliable source :)

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

This looks pretty cool. I've just been learning about Angular 1, so I guess the thing to do is start using Angular 2 as soon as it's available and not bother with the ngForward tool?

I'm looking for tools that will help me create web apps with rich client experiences. I've read the critiques of AngularJS here and it sounds like it does have some limitations, but still a very good framework for corporate web apps with moderate user base and small # of browsers.

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Post by nailer »

yonibot wrote: post #112

When people point out that Google is behind Angular, they fail to mention that the level of investment is nowhere near that of Facebook in React. I've been loving using React. Building in components is fantastic, and it just feels like writing Javascript. That's a win in my books.

Google is behind Angular, as are other large companies, but the product was made for 'Angular', an online JSON storage product by Brat Tech LLC, hosted at getangular.com. The company failed, but one of the people there got a job at Google.

The point is that - despite the common misconception - Angular isn't Google's Anointed JS Framework. There's a whole bunch of Polymer and a whole bunch of GWT inside Google.

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Post by yesimahuman »

cheapsteak wrote: post #110
snickmy wrote: post #90

Angular 2 is late to the party. The user base of Angular 1.x has already moved on. I wish the success of a web framework was a bit more about the technology nature of it rather than the market adoption and hype.

I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate Here's a chart where you can see daily download counts for react, angular, and angular2. http://npmcharts.com/compare/angular,react,angular2 React does indeed have about 4x as many daily downloads, but (Angular 1 + 2)'s download counts are ~5x what they were a year ago. (iirc the ng-europe RIP Angular fiasco happened in October 2014)

Worth noting that the onboarding process for each framework is different. Getting started with react pushes you to npm. Angular 1 pushes you to CDN, so I'm not sure how useful this graph is. Interesting, nonetheless.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by dvcc »

Bahamut wrote: post #118
yonibot wrote: post #112

When people point out that Google is behind Angular, they fail to mention that the level of investment is nowhere near that of Facebook in React. I've been loving using React. Building in components is fantastic, and it just feels like writing Javascript. That's a win in my books.

I'm pretty sure Google has invested millions more into Angular & the ecosystem than Facebook has into React - they even have a CSM on the Angular team. Even internally the investment seems to be proving vast, as Google even has a production Angular 2 app already (during the painful alpha) & multiple teams publicly pledging to use it, which will probably grow as it becomes appropriate for Google to migrate products to…

I assume he means investment as in how much they use the product. Their two top products, Facebook and Instagram heavily use React. A bunch of Google products do use Angular, but in no way are they the primary products and that probably lends to the less fluid progression.
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