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Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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Post by babygoat »

flubert wrote: post #252
babygoat wrote: post #218

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Where on earth did you get that idea?

I suppose we're making the no-true-progressive argument here? Whether or not that is accurate, anti-progressives use Detroit as an example: https://www.google.com/#q=detroit+progressivism

Not at all, and I don't love hearing what anti-progressives have to say so I'm not going to wade through that google search. I'm just saying that one reason those cities have a higher turnout for Democrats is because a lot of them are (or were) in labor unions.

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Post by ZoeZoeBee »

babygoat wrote: post #289
ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #234

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Voting Records. Do you believe something else?

Yeah, I guess since you think progressive thought is the same as voting for Democrats, try Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Hawaii, Minnesota, Boston, New York... Neat how you ignored all of the places that people love.

Except the subject was and is Flint, if you think LA is a shining example of anything I've got news for you... Bah along

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Post by Terr_ »

samstave wrote: post #185
chrisdbaldwin wrote: post #150

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Sounds like mass Stockholm syndrome.

We should call it "Detroit delusion" or "Detroit deficiency"

Dependency, Devotion, Disorientation...

"Disorder" could work but sounds a bit too nakedly-pejorative.

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

cryoshon wrote: post #55
anon1385 wrote: post #27

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The toxicity of lead is actually a longstanding political argument in the US. Lobbying against lead regulation was one of the original motivations for the development of modern american libertarianism. Even fairly recently libertarian organisations like the Cato Institute have been fighting against regulation of lead and against compensation for those poisoned. When the topic of lead comes up on HN you often get comm…

But... to argue lead is nontoxic is counterfactual!

Since when would that stop the Cato Institute?

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Post by tangled_zans »

thrownaway2424 wrote: post #256
dalke wrote: post #197

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I am a US citizen who moved to Sweden. I've done a decent amount of cycling across the Swedish countryside, and think I can explain. The sights in these photos that you (and I, who grew up in Florida) think are pretty common, are quite rare in Sweden. That is, it's rare to find houses with boarded up windows, or missing part of its siding, or burnt down and in a state of decay. Suburban areas are almost all immaculat…

I don't know if it's terribly useful to compare the entire US with Sweden. Sweden is about as populous as the Bay Area. If you're going to make comparisons with the worst places in the US, you should compare with the worst place in Europe. Drop a street view guy in the middle of Donetsk and have a look around.

You do realize how ridiculous that statement is? Even if you compare Arkasas to New York, the difference won't be as tenth as striking as if you compare a random city from Ukraine to Sweden.

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Post by pm24601 »

hellofunk wrote: post #88
artlogic wrote: post #85

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This isn't as surprising as you might think. Roger and Me isn't a documentary, it's an editorial. It's actually used in film classes as an example of creative editing to make a point. I'm not saying that Flint isn't bad, but Moore did pretty much everything he could to make it look as bad as possible. The feeling of most folks from Flint I've spoken to is that Moore made a disingenuous "documentary" about Flint not t…

Totally agree. Michael Moore even won an oscar for documentary filmmaking, but he uses some pretty crafty and biased techniques to make his point. All documentaries tend to have the point of view of their filmmaker, but they often try to expose both sides of the coin in the process and at least present the evidence in a way the audience can judge on their own (at least the good films do this). Michael Moore is very s…

I think you are confusing documentaries with "fair and balanced" news programs.

CitizenFour - did this present the NSA side of things?

An Inconvenient Truth - did this present the fossil fuel industry's viewpoint?

GasLand -- did this present the drilling industries perspective?

Documentaries are about presenting both sides. Documentaries are about presenting truth as the filmmaker sees it - usually with the intent to draw awareness and elicit change.

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Post by andrelaszlo »

dalke wrote: post #197
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #111

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>I'm at a loss for words: Why are you are a loss for words? This doesn't look significantly different from the town I grew up in (well near). I feel like I'm missing something.

I am a US citizen who moved to Sweden. I've done a decent amount of cycling across the Swedish countryside, and think I can explain. The sights in these photos that you (and I, who grew up in Florida) think are pretty common, are quite rare in Sweden. That is, it's rare to find houses with boarded up windows, or missing part of its siding, or burnt down and in a state of decay. Suburban areas are almost all immaculat…

Haha I think I know you from the Python Meetup Sweden is small indeed.

You're right, I'm just not used to seeing things like this I guess.

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Post by andrelaszlo »

up_and_up wrote: post #160
andrelaszlo wrote: post #77

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I wanted to see what Flint looks like, so I dropped the little yellow streetview guy randomly. I ended up on Asylum Street (!). I'm at a loss for words: https://goo.gl/maps/UuPPKQK5MoF2 https://goo.gl/maps/KunFSxxRFWA2 https://goo.gl/maps/yg1NH6ZMkFJ2 https://goo.gl/maps/xVi2n8muHV32 https://goo.gl/maps/pAQEyZSAEw92 https://goo.gl/maps/ssGZRAdiQak (memorial garden?) https://goo.gl/maps/B2waNiVfeut https://goo.gl/maps…

Those images don't really show 'decay' IMO. Here is a set of images that demonstrate very recent decay w/in Detroit: http://www.viralforest.com/you-can-see-the-rapid-decline-of-...

Wow. You win.

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Post by flubert »

paulddraper wrote: post #272
henrikschroder wrote: post #202

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> gangs roaming the capital, looting, killing, and burning That's quite the hyperbole compared to what actually happened.

Multiple buildings (including two schools) and hundreds of cars were burned, at least one elderly man was killed. IDK of anything comparable in the US in this century. It's hyperbole only in that the area affected was small compared to the rest of Sweden, in the same way that one street is small compared to the rest of the US.

>IDK of anything comparable in the US in this century.

https://www.google.com/#q=cars+burned+baltimore+riots

https://www.google.com/#q=damage+from+ferguson+riots

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Post by andrelaszlo »

paulddraper wrote: post #184
andrelaszlo wrote: post #77

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I wanted to see what Flint looks like, so I dropped the little yellow streetview guy randomly. I ended up on Asylum Street (!). I'm at a loss for words: https://goo.gl/maps/UuPPKQK5MoF2 https://goo.gl/maps/KunFSxxRFWA2 https://goo.gl/maps/yg1NH6ZMkFJ2 https://goo.gl/maps/xVi2n8muHV32 https://goo.gl/maps/pAQEyZSAEw92 https://goo.gl/maps/ssGZRAdiQak (memorial garden?) https://goo.gl/maps/B2waNiVfeut https://goo.gl/maps…

> I'm at a loss for words > To me, there's something really heartbreaking about abandoned and decaying houses. You're at a lost for words because of some old houses? At least there aren't gangs roaming the capital, looting, killing, and burning for days. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328952/Sweden-riots... I'm not saying either US or Sweden is a nightmare; just that every place has its uglier side. If you'…

You are probably right. I get emotional over buildings quite often. Might be some kind of personality disorder.
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