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I will add that according to some, this death has something to do with Bahá'í faith/cult - more info here http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly.htm and in this documentary - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-760569989112215408 Part1, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1716751462345868958 part 2
I view the political BS and general war-mongering in both countries to be a cover for those in power not wanting to confront very serious economic problems. Something to distract people, etc.
This is why we need Wikileaks..
Wikileaks isn't the answer to problems like this. If you have to rely on a dubiously ethical web site that tries to position itself outside the law, some pretty fundamental things have already gone wrong. For a start, we have to ask why the legal power exists to seal records in this way, who has the authority to order such seals, and what kind of oversight exists to make independent determinations about whether such…
In an ideal world, we wouldn't need Wikileaks.
In the world we have, Wikileaks is a valuable resource.
So much for a transparant UK government I guess. David Kelly is one of the first victims of the Iraq war, and I really don't give a rats ass about any government whitewash operation until they come clean with all the documents they've got. Until then it should simply be classified as a murder. Also, Dr. Kelly was right in every aspect of his criticism in the run-up to the war and he should be remembered as one of the…
Now I am not sure. If there wasn't something highly dubious going on, why would the government keep it secret for 70 years?
The book "The Sovereign Individual" (published at least 10 years ago) predicted that the UK, then the USA would transition into much less free countries as their economies started to unravel. The authors also wrote a book predicting the fall of the Berlin Wall a few years before that event happened. I view the political BS and general war-mongering in both countries to be a cover for those in power not wanting to con…
Massive spending, along with intellectual & political effort going towards something which takes away value - this is war.
So much for a transparant UK government I guess. David Kelly is one of the first victims of the Iraq war, and I really don't give a rats ass about any government whitewash operation until they come clean with all the documents they've got. Until then it should simply be classified as a murder. Also, Dr. Kelly was right in every aspect of his criticism in the run-up to the war and he should be remembered as one of the…
I used to think the death of David Kelly was suicide. Now I am not sure. If there wasn't something highly dubious going on, why would the government keep it secret for 70 years?
Governments can and do operate clandestinely, the only real question is how much.
David Kelly's death came at a very good time for the British Government, he had already proven to be willing to go public with potentially very damning information.
My take on it was that he would have continued to make plain his findings until either the British participation in the Iraq war would have become untenable or there would have been a government crisis.
The interesting part is that after all the dust settled it all seemed to boil down to the exact definition of what it means when a report is 'sexed up', as vague a term as you could want to have for that purpose.
Apparently 'selecting evidence that is convenient whilst leaving out that which is inconvenient' is not enough.
So much for a transparant UK government I guess. David Kelly is one of the first victims of the Iraq war, and I really don't give a rats ass about any government whitewash operation until they come clean with all the documents they've got. Until then it should simply be classified as a murder. Also, Dr. Kelly was right in every aspect of his criticism in the run-up to the war and he should be remembered as one of the…
I used to think the death of David Kelly was suicide. Now I am not sure. If there wasn't something highly dubious going on, why would the government keep it secret for 70 years?
70 years is nothing - there are still cabinet meetings from the Napoleonic wars that are sealed.
This is why we need Wikileaks..
Wikileaks isn't the answer to problems like this. If you have to rely on a dubiously ethical web site that tries to position itself outside the law, some pretty fundamental things have already gone wrong. For a start, we have to ask why the legal power exists to seal records in this way, who has the authority to order such seals, and what kind of oversight exists to make independent determinations about whether such…
Correct. I pay Wikileaks to be explicitly unethical, for that very reason.
It's like someone said elsewhere in the thread: if governments have nothing to hide, then they have nothing to fear, right?
I've read allegations that David Kelly's rapid turn around from saying that there were WMDs present to arguing that there were none present was the result of blackmail over evidence of him being sexually involved with an aide. Googling on "David Kelly blackmail" gives thousands of hits. Here's one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490216/Sex-drugs-bla...
Thanks to the moderator that decided to recycle this posting from the 'dead' pool.