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Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by moron4hire »

untog wrote: post #7
jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

Most of the sites employing this are aiming at providing more "app-y" experiences, though - and apps don't allow you to zoom in that way. I'd love to see browsers allow you to tap into OS-level accessibility settings easily, and set the font size to match the OS, etc.

That's weird. I could have sworn it should work to avoid setting an absolute font size, but trying it just now on my Android phone (kitkat, I think) and it didn't work. Is this something I'm misremembering? I thought you could do this on desktop, at least.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

#12

Post by micampe »

untog wrote: post #7
jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

Most of the sites employing this are aiming at providing more "app-y" experiences, though - and apps don't allow you to zoom in that way. I'd love to see browsers allow you to tap into OS-level accessibility settings easily, and set the font size to match the OS, etc.

iOS 9 added that https://webkit.org/blog/3709/using-the-system-font-in-web-co...

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by untog »

micampe wrote: post #12
untog wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the sites employing this are aiming at providing more "app-y" experiences, though - and apps don't allow you to zoom in that way. I'd love to see browsers allow you to tap into OS-level accessibility settings easily, and set the font size to match the OS, etc.

iOS 9 added that https://webkit.org/blog/3709/using-the-system-font-in-web-co...

But not sizing specifically, right? It looks like I can use the system typeface but not my own typeface at system size.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

#14

Post by giovannibajo1 »

CyberShadow wrote: post #9
jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

> A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, At least on Android, Chrome has an accessibility setting which forces pinch zooming to be always available. (Not arguing your point though.)

That's not so useful per-se on iOS, as iOS has a full set of zooming features, that range from double-tap-with-three-fingers to activate zooming mode, to the always-on-top zoom controller that popups a menu with several options, including which filters to apply in the zooming window (eg: contrast, b&w). These features work across the whole operating system, so in all apps, not just the browser.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by draw_down »

untog wrote: post #7
jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

Most of the sites employing this are aiming at providing more "app-y" experiences, though - and apps don't allow you to zoom in that way. I'd love to see browsers allow you to tap into OS-level accessibility settings easily, and set the font size to match the OS, etc.

There is truth to that, but there are also publications and other sites who shouldn't be doing it. And they do it so they can put their stupid bar across the top of the page and crap like that.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by makecheck »

jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

I don't even know why this is an option that web sites can control.

I should be able to zoom anything I want, site "design" be damned.

It actually ruined the iPad experience for me. Early on, when you could pan and resize any part of a page, it was great; then sites suddenly decided they should "help" me scroll, choose the text size, etc. and the iPad screen ended up feeling like a penalty box.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by geon »

smackfu wrote: post #10
rib3ye wrote: post #4

Why did it take eight years to implement this work around? This would have been useful in 2007 after SJ, himself, told us to make web apps in leu native apps for the then non-existent App Store.

If you double-tap on a fixed-width viewport page in iOS Safari today, it scrolls the page so the content you tapped is centered. The blog post doesn't mention this, but obviously they need to remove that behavior if they are no long detecting double-taps. Maybe it was good for accessibility?

TFA says it only affects mobile-optimized layouts, and only on form elements and links.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by downandout »

jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

>Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page.

100% this. I immediately leave any site that I don't absolutely have to use if it doesn't allow me to pinch, and I'm not visually impaired. Part of the annoyance is knowing that they disabled it on purpose. I realize that there are design considerations that factor into it, but the fact that they designed the site in a way that disables such critical functionality makes me not want to stick around to find out whatever other annoyances it has in store for me.

Re: More Responsive Tapping on iOS

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Post by james33 »

makecheck wrote: post #16
jordanlev wrote: post #6

Standard accessibility disclaimer to people developing websites: please do not set "user-scalable=no" in the viewport meta tag, as this prevents users from pinch-zooming the page. Many designers think "there's no need to allow zooming", but this is often coming from people who are blessed with youth and/or great eye-sight. A lot of people (especially as we get older) need to be able to zoom in to read things, or we j…

I don't even know why this is an option that web sites can control. I should be able to zoom anything I want, site "design" be damned. It actually ruined the iPad experience for me. Early on, when you could pan and resize any part of a page, it was great; then sites suddenly decided they should "help" me scroll, choose the text size, etc. and the iPad screen ended up feeling like a penalty box.

It is important for things like HTML5 games that essentially wouldn't work without this functionality.
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