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I feel that will work only okay even if there is one car manufacturer, but get tthe differences between a lot of them, then throw in porsche and others programming in "advantages" and "agressive" as options and where do you end up?
Somebody trying to develop a standardized AI road etiquette protocol?
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#92In terms of efficiency, is using the same technology (cars) in a different way - removing the driver - really going to have long term affects?
My guess is that cars themselves will be out of production before we reach 100% adoption of driverless cars.
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#93For a sense of how this is going, you can read the California DMV's collection of autonomous vehicle accident reports.[1] 9 from Google, one from Delphi. Almost all the Google ones are a Google vehicle being rear-ended by another car at slow speed. Typical situation: Google AV turning right on red after a full stop. AV advances enough to get a good sensor view of cross traffic, detects cross traffic, and stops. Follo…
Driving behavior and patterns are important for safety too, when you assume that it's not the google AV's fault that it gets rear-ended you may be wrong. If a human driver sees more than the AV (has a bigger brain, more experience) and is able to better asses a situation, the human might not see why the AV is stopping, having assessed correctly that the way is clear. It is the AV's fault for not being smart enough, a…
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
>That is, the cost of insurance for human drivers will be exceedingly high. right now, in california, you are only required to carry on the order of $35,000 in liability insurance. Now, personally, I think this is completely crazy, that it defeats the whole point of liability laws, etc, etc, but the point is that unless you change that, even if the rates go way up for human drivers, if the insurance companies can con…
Yeah, I've heard that before. It's crazy to me. The most basic insurance in EU is required to cover up to 5 million euro against damages to people and 3 million against damage to property. How US can only require $35k liability cover is beyond me. Does that not mean that in pretty much any accident you have to pay extra out of your own pocket? (that "basic" insurance costs me $150 for the whole year and allows me to…
Generally speaking, only poor people carry the minimum liability insurance. Everyone else carries limits closer to yours, at least for damage to people; I mean, doing 3 million in damage to a human, I can see that. Doing that much damage to property would be... completely destroying a really nice house, which is unlikely. Also, by American standards, your rates look unrealistically low. maybe you could get something close to your level of liability coverage for that much every month.
But... uh, yeah, this brings up another point (and why I don't know how much just a few million in liability would cost) - everyone who isn't poor here carries what's called "uninsured motorist" coverage... this is essentially insurance that covers damage to me if someone with minimum coverage is at fault and I get hurt and they can't pay.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
>that deranged person can just sit down in front of the car, bringing everything to a halt. They can do that now unless you are suggesting running them over as a solution.
More likely are laws introduced against willfully and unconstructively obstructing autonomous vehicles with right of way and by way of facial recognition the autonomous vehicle turns in the perpetrator., else it summons its neighbors to swarm the offender till authorities come to resolve the impasse.
No doubt we'll see people doing this, however. Because change is scary.
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#96Well if this is a "race" as the headline says, it sure is gonna be a long race, folks. These cars haven't yet been programmed to handle things like snow-covered roads where you can't see the lines, or construction zones that have you driving on the opposite side of the road at the direction of flaggers, etc... there's just a ton of work remaining to be done if your goal is truly to "rid the world of human drivers".
If those high targets are the only things remaining then I'd say the race is pretty close to finishing. I'd be more pessimistic if features on the todo list still included 'identifying stop signs', 'recognizing people', 'not killing people', and 'driving more smoothly than a teenager'.
In Switzerland we have those wonderful pass roads. On one side you have the mountain, on the other side there's nothing. Never in my life would I let a computer drive down that road with my family in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDilGBIiKxI
Sometimes roads are so narrow, that drivers naturally honk while going round corners. If there's a honk back you gotta slow down. Now add some snow fall and fog and drive down in the night. Good luck!
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#98In the city of Nuremburg, Germany in the year 2006 Siemens started to introduce automated trains. Until this day, they have to be operated under supervision. So how exactly do all these tech companies want to get the fact out of the way, that there is an actual AI needed before they can dive into autonomous cars driving the streets? The wet dream of big biz for sure, if only it could meet up with reality. Sorry for n…
get their own available products to be working flawless
Self-driving cars don't have to be flawless. They just have to be better than human drivers. This is probably feasible within the next 20 years or so.Re: The High-Stakes Race to Rid the World of Human Drivers
#99Well if this is a "race" as the headline says, it sure is gonna be a long race, folks. These cars haven't yet been programmed to handle things like snow-covered roads where you can't see the lines, or construction zones that have you driving on the opposite side of the road at the direction of flaggers, etc... there's just a ton of work remaining to be done if your goal is truly to "rid the world of human drivers".
If those high targets are the only things remaining then I'd say the race is pretty close to finishing. I'd be more pessimistic if features on the todo list still included 'identifying stop signs', 'recognizing people', 'not killing people', and 'driving more smoothly than a teenager'.
So yeah, there's a very long way to go until self-driving cars are ready to replace human drivers.
Re: The High-Stakes Race to Rid the World of Human Drivers
#100In the city of Nuremburg, Germany in the year 2006 Siemens started to introduce automated trains. Until this day, they have to be operated under supervision. So how exactly do all these tech companies want to get the fact out of the way, that there is an actual AI needed before they can dive into autonomous cars driving the streets? The wet dream of big biz for sure, if only it could meet up with reality. Sorry for n…