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Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by dragonwriter »

shostack wrote: post #270
TeMPOraL wrote: post #173

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You've just described how this scenario most likely will play out with othe appliances if producers decide to go the rental way. People may stay with their old ones... until they break, then it's time to buy a new one, but there's no non-"smart" appliance on the market anymore.

Exactly. To give a related example...look at Windows 10. I want to buy a new computer and will be in the market very soon. But I'm desperately clinging to my Windows 7 OS, and worried I won't be able to find something that ISN'T Windows 10. In fact, I have newfound urgency around this because I'll bet very soon I won't be able to find any Windows 8 computers on the market.

> I want to buy a new computer and will be in the market very soon. But I'm desperately clinging to my Windows 7 OS, and worried I won't be able to find something that ISN'T Windows 10.

Its pretty easy to find computers that aren't Windows 10 (e.g., OS X machines are readily available, as are Chromebooks, and there are even sold-with-Linux computers); its harder to find ones that are Windows-but-not-10, but that's a different thing.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by simoncion »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #247
mindslight wrote: post #99

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Nah. Pop open the cover and install an aftermarket control board that runs Free software. Eventually, this will be more user-friendly (better interface one doesn't have to relearn every monthly update), convenient (better software features), and economical (how many appliances are thrown out due to software malfunctions).

I've had Ubuntu running on my old desktop for a few years now. It's literally a 50% chance as to whether I'll be able to get the GUI login screen to come up, and be able to log in successfully on my first try, without having to ssh in from another machine and fiddle around with things. This isn't an exaggeration. 50%.

Are you running the nouveau driver? If you are, know that it's notoriously unstable and crashy, especially older versions of it.

I've installed and run Linux on many computers over the past $WAY_TOO_LONG. Anecdotes aren't data, but your experience is an outlier these days.

Regardless. I gather that you're trying to slyly imply that your bad experience with Ubuntu means that Free Software is synonymous with low quality or something.

That's a silly thing to do.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by [deleted] »

ne0n wrote: post #170
redthrowaway wrote: post #62

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As IoT becomes more ubiquitous, the people who plaster their houses in tin foil will become less ridiculous.

I was reading recently that there's a special type of paint you can use on the walls of your house to block wifi signals, essentially keeping your wifi contained within your walls and keeping the noise level down by blocking your neighbours' wifi.

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Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by jonknee »

sedachv wrote: post #264
ethanbond wrote: post #122

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A mistake I'll make only once: driving to Montreal only to realize my phone was useless once I got to the city limits and needed to figure out how to get to my hotel.

They have these things called maps, sold at gas stations.

Which aren't much good for finding most POIs.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by antsar »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #254
antsar wrote: post #151

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If it means the fridge is free, I'd be happy to add some firewall rules upstream :)

"Our partner advertisements could not be loaded. Please contact customer support before using your refridgerator."

Many PR departments can ward off an angry mob. But an angry, hungry mob...

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by prima-facie »

This underlines that the level of newly launched and already abandoned hardware is alarming.

I'm looking at companies like Motorola who almost stopped (if it weren't for a very vocal user base) updating Moto E about half a year after launching.

And many other phone OEMs who just don't care about updating their software.

Companies came to expect fidelity from customers while providing the minimum of commitment in return.

OEMs should stop wasting money on crappy addonware and invest in quality (and timely) software updates, and better customer relationship.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by manigandham »

codemac wrote: post #130

The problem here is not the refrigerator, or the software on it. I repeat. The problem here is not the refrigerator! We're building a shitty internet, not an internet of shitty things. If integrating with an online calendar means having to have a software team at the ready at all times for the whim's of some service's API updates.. we have failed society in a deep way. The API that Google should be releasing for Goog…

We are ALSO building an internet of shitty things.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

dragonwriter wrote: post #271
shostack wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. To give a related example...look at Windows 10. I want to buy a new computer and will be in the market very soon. But I'm desperately clinging to my Windows 7 OS, and worried I won't be able to find something that ISN'T Windows 10. In fact, I have newfound urgency around this because I'll bet very soon I won't be able to find any Windows 8 computers on the market.

> I want to buy a new computer and will be in the market very soon. But I'm desperately clinging to my Windows 7 OS, and worried I won't be able to find something that ISN'T Windows 10. Its pretty easy to find computers that aren't Windows 10 (e.g., OS X machines are readily available, as are Chromebooks, and there are even sold-with-Linux computers); its harder to find ones that are Windows-but-not-10, but that's a…

its harder to find ones that are Windows-but-not-10

But they're still readily available. I just checked a Dell Precision tower workstation and it comes by default with Win 7. The Dell Optiplex Mini Tower comes by default with Win 8.1, but Win 7 is an easily selected choice.

Still, I've been buying OS X machines exclusively for over a decade. There's not a lot that Windows offers me, except their nice Freecell game. But I'm not a FPS gamer, so that probably makes a big difference.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by zanny »

rlpb wrote: post #261
lauritz wrote: post #186

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I agree completely. But how likely is that to happen? Let's face it, companies that make 'smart' devices will likely want to monetize on customers whose software is outdated (in functionality, not security) and who want to upgrade because of that. I don't think they'd have a motive to do anything other than proprietary, non-maintainable software. The only solution I could think of from a security standpoint would be…

Ubuntu are aiming directly at this problem by providing the base OS and making it possible for vendors to then layer on the functionality they need: http://www.ubuntu.com/internet-of-things How much vendors are willing to use something like this remains to be seen. Personally I resist buying things that I think will have a poor security update record. I'd like to see more pressure on vendors to do the right thing her…

I don't think sanity will prevail over profit here. Making shitty unmaintainable flashy software that sells units and hijacks your house through exploits a year later optimally keeps customers buying new fridges, when the only thing wrong with them is awful outdated proprietary code running on it. Its the same reason I feel Ubuntu TV was a flop - as long as consumers make emotional, advertising driven, uninformed, instantaneous purchase decisions, the optimal route to profit is flashy over-the-top showoff crap on the store shelf that then breaks as soon as possible so they have to buy another. As long as people do not care about the software running on their "smart" tv, or fridge, or thermostat, they will continue to be given what they ask for - nothing but crap.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Post by rlpb »

zanny wrote: post #279
rlpb wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu are aiming directly at this problem by providing the base OS and making it possible for vendors to then layer on the functionality they need: http://www.ubuntu.com/internet-of-things How much vendors are willing to use something like this remains to be seen. Personally I resist buying things that I think will have a poor security update record. I'd like to see more pressure on vendors to do the right thing her…

I don't think sanity will prevail over profit here. Making shitty unmaintainable flashy software that sells units and hijacks your house through exploits a year later optimally keeps customers buying new fridges, when the only thing wrong with them is awful outdated proprietary code running on it. Its the same reason I feel Ubuntu TV was a flop - as long as consumers make emotional, advertising driven, uninformed, in…

> Its the same reason I feel Ubuntu TV was a flop...

I believe Canonical have a grand plan but have just focused on phones first. Since to my knowledge the Ubuntu TV hasn't happened yet, how can it be a flop?

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