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UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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Any good links on the Heathrow vs. Gatwick campaigning and lobbying effort?

There are quite a few articles about the report ([0] for one of many of them) -- the lobbying efforts themselves are not generally made public anyway, but heathrow hasn't been particularly subtle about it -- It's at least the third or perhaps fourth 'consultation' on the subject. When it get refused, they just try again a bit later. However there are concerted efforts to buy/silence the people most affected -- there'…

The whole concept of campaigning for an issue like this - of "lobbying" the public - struck me as quite novel for a project of this type (when I was visiting the UK and saw the massive PR campaign). I'm really interested in the emergence of this phenomenon, since at least in Europe it seems fairly new.

Broadly speaking before 1800s this would be a discourse among the elite and aristocracy guiding the houses' opinion. In the 1700s-1900s paradigm the grey power behind such deals would be in the hands of the industrialists. 1950s-2000s paradigm would be to handle this with cabinet-level lobbying or other kinds of nepotism..

In a way it's an obvious improvement - the power of the people and the relevance of public opinion is sort of respected by taking it into account in the first place. But is trying to influence it at such great a cost really respect? It is a noisy world, it is difficult to get people to care about such projects (advocacy for which doesn't gain you social status or warm, fuzzy emotional satisfaction and self-fulfilment unlike many other grass-root efforts could), but both lobbies hiring consultants to compete in shoving their own message down the public's throat on what should be a pretty straight-forward, apolitical, impersonal assessment/bidding process feels perverse...

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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Communists and anarchists talking about the new utopian society before winning the war. I wonder why they lose...

I'm confused. What order would you suggest instead?

First concentrate on stopping the fascist coup d'etat, i.e. winning the Spanish Civil War and preventing 40 years of fascist dictatorship, then discuss about the kind of new society you want.

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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I'm confused. What order would you suggest instead?

First concentrate on stopping the fascist coup d'etat, i.e. winning the Spanish Civil War and preventing 40 years of fascist dictatorship, then discuss about the kind of new society you want.

So knock over the government without any idea of what to replace it with? That doesn't have a great track record either, historically.

(Wait, are we still talking about "communists and anarchists" in general, or is it just the Spanish Civil War now?)

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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I would love to see a statistical analysis on how many times an average citizen, assuming zero maliciousness, breaks laws like this unknowingly in his/her lifetime. It wouldn't surprise me at all that literally everyone breaks one at one point.

England has civil and criminal law. I'm not sure what the US equivalents are. When you break civil law the wronged party can take you to court and try to get damages. There's no chance of prison or conviction or criminal record. When you break criminal law the police get involved, you're arrested and charged with an offence, you're prosecuted, and if convicted you're sentenced. For copyright stuff it's almost entirel…

US law, with the exception of that of the state of Louisiana, is based on English common law. We have civil and criminal law very similar to the UK.

Except for the wigs.

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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They do pay, but they pay in hardware. They have dedicated staff to promote product placement and according to a Hollywood movie maker, "Apple won’t pay to have their products featured, but they are more than willing to hand out an endless amount of computers, iPads, and iPhones". It is actually a very unethical practice if you think about it in monetary terms. Rather than paying the film company above the table like…

Thata a bit of a leap to go from "they hand out free hardware" to "they bribe staff with free hardware."

If "they" means "for profit entity" those two statements are exactly the same in my ears.

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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They do pay, but they pay in hardware. They have dedicated staff to promote product placement and according to a Hollywood movie maker, "Apple won’t pay to have their products featured, but they are more than willing to hand out an endless amount of computers, iPads, and iPhones". It is actually a very unethical practice if you think about it in monetary terms. Rather than paying the film company above the table like…

You seem to have a strange sense of morality. Looks like good marketing to me.

Good marketing and moral are completely orthogonal.

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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no, it's less ethical the closer you get to the crime of bribery, "persuading someone to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement." Clearly this is not legally bribery. But giving out free bacardi and t-shirts at a bar is likely to provide less influence, and less resulting material gain, than giving macbooks to the guys who buy props.

You said no, but the concluding sentence relies upon the distinction being the dollar amount of benefit gained. Is the (we'll stipulate) outsized benefit what brings it closer to bribery?

I guess so, like giving a doctor free branded pen, or inviting him to free branded "conference" which is basically luxury vacation.

One seems more like marketing, other more like bribery.

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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post #79

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Thata a bit of a leap to go from "they hand out free hardware" to "they bribe staff with free hardware."

If "they" means "for profit entity" those two statements are exactly the same in my ears.

The difference is that the former means the free hardware likely goes to the production company and is not available for personal use. It's not a moral quibble, but a question of who owns the stuff and who gets to use it.

Re: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own

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If "they" means "for profit entity" those two statements are exactly the same in my ears.

The difference is that the former means the free hardware likely goes to the production company and is not available for personal use. It's not a moral quibble, but a question of who owns the stuff and who gets to use it.

Apple gives desirable stuff to the production company.

Who gets the stuff when the filming has finished?

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