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New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by mizchief2 »

bdamm wrote: post #149
kayfox wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the dangers need to be downplayed. The incidence does need to be looked at. I think we blame drones for all sorts of things that are not drones these days.

There are already many cases on the books of drones flying into approach paths of airliners in many airports, including several into JFK. Just last week there was a case of a police helicopter that had a very close call with a drone (the helicopter pilot did execute collision avoidance, and police on the ground tracked the drone operator.) Incidence is there and rising.

So what difference would registration make in that case? I have no problem with prosecuting people who do stupid and dangerous things with drones, but making everyone who buys a toy to fly on their own property under 100ft is over reaching and treats everyone like a criminal.

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by cryptoz »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #160

One thing I haven't seen discussed is that the registration process is only open to US citizens. Am I misunderstanding something, or did the FAA just make citizenship a requirement for flying a $20 quadcopter in your backyard?

No, it seems like anyone can do it, without any relevance to your citizenship. I think the fancy new website is the only part that currently limits to US citizens, but that seems only temporary until they fix it.

> Q. Who is required to register on the new online UAS registration website?

> A. Only individual recreational or hobby users who meet U.S. citizenship requirements are able to register their unmanned aircraft using this new streamlined web-based process. This new, faster and easier system will be available for other UAS owners soon.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by Buttons840 »

forgottenpass wrote: post #127
eykanal wrote: post #39

The comments here really surprise me. My dad's a pilot, and I've heard from him firsthand how drones are a very serious problem for airplanes. Comments like "this is just one more example of tracking" or "I can't believe I have to do this even if it's only for my house" seem to be said out of anger rather than from serious consideration of the issues with drones. Your $30 drone can very easily cause someone else's $1…

I want to say "Just because you can make it doesn't mean you can use it irresponsibly", but people will take issue with my use of the words "can't" and "irresponsibly". There is a subconscious line of reasoning a lot of people in The States (and I assume similar nations) get that goes something like: "If I'm allowed to buy/build this, and I can't see any glaring safety issues, there must not be any."

> "If I'm allowed to buy/build this, and I can't see any glaring safety issues, there must not be any."

That actually seems like a reasonable thought, despite the logical fallacy that "if I can't see any problem, there must not be a problem".

Unfortunately, another line of reasoning may soon be common, "X seems safe, but I better double check with the government to ensure I wont face several hundred thousand dollars in fines and years in prison if I do this."

I have flown kites higher than I ever would a model drone, and they are heavier and take up more space because of the string. Of course, I was a child at the time; kites are primarily a cheap children's toy. Even so, better watch out for those several hundred thousand dollar fines. Even if its safe and reasonable, better just double check.

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by mizchief2 »

dntrkv wrote: post #110
cooper12 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does registration solve the problem of people flying in airspace though? It sounds to me like this would only be used after the fact to find out who was responsible.

If the drone is registered in your name, people will be more careful to make sure they don't break any laws. Some of the same reasons we register cars and have license plates. People tend to act shitty when they know they won't be held accountable.

or people will just take off the tag before doing something shitty with it.

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by [deleted] »

eykanal wrote: post #39

The comments here really surprise me. My dad's a pilot, and I've heard from him firsthand how drones are a very serious problem for airplanes. Comments like "this is just one more example of tracking" or "I can't believe I have to do this even if it's only for my house" seem to be said out of anger rather than from serious consideration of the issues with drones. Your $30 drone can very easily cause someone else's $1…

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Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by mikeash »

kayfox wrote: post #128
mikeash wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I saw the topic of drones and aircraft collisions on the front page (maybe a week ago), the entire comment thread was filled with people downplaying the dangers, casting doubt on whether it even mattered, saying a three-pound (!) drone wouldn't do any actual damage on impact, etc. I find the community attitude here to be completely insane. Regulation isn't necessarily the answer, but the general theme h…

I don't think the dangers need to be downplayed. The incidence does need to be looked at. I think we blame drones for all sorts of things that are not drones these days.

What do drones get blamed for that aren't drones, exactly?

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by CountSessine »

ctdonath wrote: post #71
eykanal wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm following your argument, you're saying, "drones are currently not that powerful, so they should be viewed as a toy." The problem is, that argument is destined to become false. Drones are only getting more and more capable. Intelligent legislation works not only for the current scenario but also future ones. Additionally, there are many stories regarding how current drone operators either ignore common sense re…

No results found for "airline drone near miss" Ok, that's a bit pedantic - search for "airliner drone near miss". But what are we talking about re: "near miss" here? The phrase itself defines as no actual impact. How many actual problems are we talking about here, vs "close but no harm done"? I'm just trying to bracket the issue.

But what are we talking about re: "near miss" here? The phrase itself defines as no actual impact. How many actual problems are we talking about here, vs "close but no harm done"? I'm just trying to bracket the issue.

close but no harm done

Are you serious? This is an airplane we're talking about. I don't care how close you think you are or aren't when you're flying your toy around the airport. I don't want the pilot of my airplane to be distracted by your asshat-ery no matter how much distance you think you have from the airplane.

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #153
bdamm wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any pilot will tell you that birds do most of the work when it comes to collision avoidance. Drones, not so much.

Nevertheless, it's not hard to find reports of bird strikes. What are some good case studies of drone strikes that I can review?

As you yourself point out, birds outnumber drones a million to one. So obviously the available number of examples is much smaller. That doesn't, however, change the potential danger.

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by stonemetal »

cooper12 wrote: post #65
eykanal wrote: post #39

The comments here really surprise me. My dad's a pilot, and I've heard from him firsthand how drones are a very serious problem for airplanes. Comments like "this is just one more example of tracking" or "I can't believe I have to do this even if it's only for my house" seem to be said out of anger rather than from serious consideration of the issues with drones. Your $30 drone can very easily cause someone else's $1…

How does registration solve the problem of people flying in airspace though? It sounds to me like this would only be used after the fact to find out who was responsible.

In and of it self nothing. Though I have to say I have never registered for anything that didn't include receiving a set of rules. I would be really surprised if registering didn't get you a pamphlet on how not to get arrested while flying a drone.

Re: New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Feb 19

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Post by bengali3 »

tibbon wrote: post #34

As someone who enjoys flying drones, I don't mind registration- I just want clarity. Recently I was going out with some friends to the Boston Harbor Islands. I wanted to take a small Parrot AR drone out there, to fly around 25 feet in the air, to capture some group photos and check out some neat angles of military ruins. Yet, I find things like this ( https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=1... )…

I wish it was clearer when/how/where to fly. I envision an app soon that lets you 'report' your planned flight activity in advance which notifies the appropriate ATC facility based on your GPS, and logs that you've notified the appropriate agency.

Aside from extending the runway center lines on a map to predict approach and departure paths, you may have seen the heli route on skyvector https://skyvector.com/?ll=42.2662102318687,-70.9130790877564... regarding the harbor islands.

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