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Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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I'm not an old fart by far , but even I have never imagined rebooting a refrigerator. I'm floored. It sounds like some obscure IT insider joke except that this time it's for real. I don't know what to expect next.

"Please stand by for message from our sponsors who help keep your food fresh." ...

If it means the fridge is free, I'd be happy to add some firewall rules upstream :)

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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I remember seeing a commercial for those things where they drafted the Top Chef brothers, and even in the commercial it looked extremely awkward to use. "Oh, let's just look up something...(walk over...bend down...glance at screen...slowly punch things in...)." Even if it were the best thing ever, I know technology and I know that fridges last years longer than any gadget ever has. Any choice of touchscreen, OS or ev…

I was recently in the market for a newer SUV and the thing that struck me about every single touchscreen jammed into them was how obsolete they would seem in the near future. Even now, they're clunky and unappealing visually.

My microwave has a MyPlate.gov button on it. May have seemed like a good idea when our home's previous owner renovated back in 2011, but it's silly now.

My "smart" TV has an app called WebVideos on it, which does nothing but apologize for being shut down.

This trend of timely design rather than timeless design in appliances is not great for the consumer. It reminds me of bundling crapware OS-extensions onto budget PC laptops. Design that respects the orthogonal-nature of connectedness to a device's primary purpose should be praised.

One counterexample that comes to mind is my Nest thermometer. It's super convenient, works great. And if Nest ever goes under and turns out the lights on their API, or if wifi becomes an irrelevant network connection technology, it reverts to being a thermostat with a really nice UI.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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As IoT becomes more ubiquitous, the people who plaster their houses in tin foil will become less ridiculous.

Nah. Pop open the cover and install an aftermarket control board that runs Free software. Eventually, this will be more user-friendly (better interface one doesn't have to relearn every monthly update), convenient (better software features), and economical (how many appliances are thrown out due to software malfunctions).

You're being sarcastic, right?

> Pop open the cover and install an aftermarket control board that runs Free software.

Appliances will get redesigned so that it's hard to do it. If they really want to drive the message home, then like 'maxerickson said, it's epoxy time.

> Eventually, this will be more user-friendly (better interface one doesn't have to relearn every monthly update)

See mobile.

> convenient (better software features)

See all software.

> and economical (how many appliances are thrown out due to software malfunctions).

Again, see mobile.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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I do appreciate my car GPS for when I'm outside of cell range though (which is frequently--mountains and radios don't work well together).

If you're on Android, Nokia's Here application has fantastic offline navigation maps.

I believe those maps are what my car uses.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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It's much cheaper, and definitely a better UX, to buy a whiteboard and hang it on or beside the fridge. (BTDT. Why waste $50-250 on a tablet? If I really want to tote the whiteboard with me when I go to the shops I just snap a photo of it to view on my phone, then delete the shopping list when I get home.)

At least use a paper calendar -- the whiteboard can get erased if someone/something rubs against it.

This is why we need a smart whiteboard, so we can see the history of what was written on it, and undo accidental erasing/drawing. Maybe even connect it to my butt with a companion app so you can see your whiteboard notes on the go, or share them to facebook/twitter/instagram.

(...Hopefully the sarcasm is obvious).

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Not just that, but I can't wait for the day I can only rent my appliances and have to have a monthly subscription to some GE "Smart Appliance Network" for them to even work.

I feel like people would just not buy these theoretical ridiculous appliances and just stay with older ones until the appliance manufacturers started making normal appliances again.

Like they don't buy e-books, or smart TVs? Like they didn't buy that cloud-connected laser cutter that'll brick itself when its makers go out of business[0]? It's been proven time and again that people buy against their best interest; that's why this business model is becoming popular.

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10272483

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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No, you would be better off financially to not waste your money on the iPad. iPad mini: $399 kindle fire: $49.99

I'm thinking that if you're in the market for a $3600 Internet-connected fridge, you can afford and would just rather have the iPad. I don't know enough about the Fire to say whether it's a piece of garbage or not; all I know is that I have a bunch of iPad apps that I've paid for and Apple's ecosystem makes it easy to add another iPad and transfer my settings over.

I have a 2013 Nexus 7, and we just got the $50 Fire for the kids while it was on sale. The Nexus 7, even for the "2013", is still a perfectly credible Android tablet, with "full HD". The $50 Fire is 720P, so the display is noticeably worse, but, that probably actually helps with its performance. Otherwise, that $50 Fire is really only slightly slower than the Nexus 7. I even played some MinecraftPE on the Fire, and it was just fine. I didn't have an FPS meter but it was at least 20-30. (I wouldn't be surprised for battery reasons that the game is capped at 30 anyhow. Given the nature of the game and the input I can't tell if the FPS is going much higher on any of those two devices or my last-year's Moto X, the most powerful Android device I own; not enough action.)

It may not meet a techy's high-end needs, but the $50 is perfectly credible now. Not like a $50 tablet two years ago, which was slow, had an immediately-noticeably-crappy touchscreen, and was latent in everything it did. I suspect Amazon's still subsidizing it a bit even at that price, but probably not that much. Those SoCs are really pushing things along. (Pity they're so proprietary.)

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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I'm thinking that if you're in the market for a $3600 Internet-connected fridge, you can afford and would just rather have the iPad. I don't know enough about the Fire to say whether it's a piece of garbage or not; all I know is that I have a bunch of iPad apps that I've paid for and Apple's ecosystem makes it easy to add another iPad and transfer my settings over.

Humans are pretty funny! Going off the usual price for apps ($2.99?), and a 'bunch' is probably about 25 apps, then replacing all your paid iOS apps with paid Fire apps would probably cost you $75. So ignoring anything else, a lot of people would actually value their $75 sunk app costs greater than the $350 difference between that iPad and the Fire. It's a pretty interesting lesson in humanity.

App store availability aside (many apps are available on iOS that are not available on Fire's outdated Android derivative), Android tablet apps are kind of crappy. Apple wouldn't be able to get away with their premium pricing if the experience on Android were better.

Every review of an Android tablet complains about how the software is buggy and the ecosystem isn't there yet. Still. Again, I was never convinced there was a larger market for tablets; just a market for iPads.

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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Not just that, but I can't wait for the day I can only rent my appliances and have to have a monthly subscription to some GE "Smart Appliance Network" for them to even work.

I feel like people would just not buy these theoretical ridiculous appliances and just stay with older ones until the appliance manufacturers started making normal appliances again.

It's already happening to John Deere, since they started claiming DCMA protections on their tractors to prevent DIY repairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Deere#Controversies

Re: Can't sign in to Google calendar on my Samsung refrigerator

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The problem here is not the refrigerator, or the software on it. I repeat. The problem here is not the refrigerator! We're building a shitty internet, not an internet of shitty things. If integrating with an online calendar means having to have a software team at the ready at all times for the whim's of some service's API updates.. we have failed society in a deep way. The API that Google should be releasing for Goog…

There is a ongoing internal friction in the software development process. We rely on capitalized business processes to self-correct against dramatic failures like this. This is not a failure of society, it's a failure to appropriately contextualize this software with regards the business that backs it.

Rather than being built in, this "calendar" should be android/iOS tablet that's attached to the refrigerator with magnets. It should be thrown in the trash every couple years and replaced with a new one. According to the interests of Google/Apple (as evidenced by their software updates).

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