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Re: Introducing OpenAI

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> Sam, Greg, Elon, Reid Hoffman, Jessica Livingston, Peter Thiel, Amazon Web Services (AWS), Infosys, and YC Research are donating to support OpenAI. In total, these funders have committed $1 billion Funny how they just slipped that in at the end

Note that this is "committed $1 billion", not funded. "although we expect to only spend a tiny fraction of this in the next few years."

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're over-glorifying humans. We're still just a savannah ape and our skills reflect that.

What? The brain has not only solved the vision problem (reconstructing depth from still images, recognising the objects in the scene, and filling in the occluded parts), it has also solved the motion problem of coordinated the movement of our ~300 muscles (given constraints, how do I move from A to B, or pickup the cup, or do a handstand), as well as solved the memory problem (basically infinite memory, with some sor…

If you have to forget, your memory is not infinite. My computer's HD is infinite, but you have to remove programs that you don't use.

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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I find it a bit disappointing that despite originally stating that YC Research would target underfunded/underserved areas of research, they've decided to fund and dive into one of the most-hyped, well-funded areas of research: deep learning, an area of research where companies are hiring like crazy and even universities are hiring faculty like crazy. I'm reasonably sure all the research scientists had multiple job of…

I'm disappointed that you're disappointed. There's $1b coming from primarily not YC.

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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This is about 100 years too early. Seriously why do people think neural networks are the answer to AI? They are proven to be stupid outside of their training data. We have such a long way to go. This fear-mongering is pointless.

It's not necessarily the answer to AI, but it works remarkably well. Is it Skynet or the Terminator yet? No. There are different ideas for what constitutes AI. Expert systems and knowledge-based reasoners? Pattern-recognizer black boxes? Chatbots? AGI? Over the years the concept of AI shifted. Until recent years "AI" was mostly used for things like A* search, creating algorithms that play turn-based table games for e…

Quibble with the timeline: AI as a field has included a big chunk devoted to machine learning research pretty much continuously, especially since the '80s or so. The specific methods in vogue do change: decision trees, neural networks, SVMs, boosting, association-rule learning, genetic algorithms, Bayesian networks, etc. go through periods of waxing and waning in popularity. A few years ago boosting/bagging and other ensemble methods were very hot and neural networks were out of fashion; now neural networks are hot and the boosting hype has quieted down a bit. But ML is pretty much always there in some form, since learning from data is an important component of AI.

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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I can't think of another field of research that's simultaneously brought the potential to solve all the world's problems and the potential to end life as we know it. Very appreciative to see so many great minds working on ensuring AI heralds in more of the former, and none of the latter.

Nitrogen research. Haber Bosch is a primary example. Nitrogen both creates and destroys. Look harder. ;)

How does nitrogen research have the capability of solving all the world's problems?

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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I can't think of another field of research that's simultaneously brought the potential to solve all the world's problems and the potential to end life as we know it. Very appreciative to see so many great minds working on ensuring AI heralds in more of the former, and none of the latter.

nuclear research.

How does nuclear research have the capability of solving all the world's problems?

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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Where does this leave MIRI? Is Eliezer going to close up shop, collaborate with OpenAI, or compete?

I'm sure if OpenAI ever produces people with anything interesting to contribute to the alignment problem, MIRI will happily collaborate. That $1bn commitment must be disappointing to some people though.

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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This is a key takeaway: "...we are going to ask YC companies to make whatever data they are comfortable making available to OpenAI. And Elon is also going to figure out what data Tesla and Space X can share." Money is great, openness is great, big name researchers are also a huge plus. But data data data, that could turn out to be very valuable. I don't know if Sam meant that YC companies would be encouraged to contr…

'The "evil" AI and safety stuff is just science fiction, but whatever.'

umm... you can offer proof that we have nothing to worry about?

Does the proof go like: Just as all people are inherently good, therefore all AIs will be inherently good?

Or is it more like: since we can now safely contain all evil people, therefore we will be able to safely contain evil AIs?

Sounds to me like there is some risk, no?

Re: Introducing OpenAI

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post #93

I find it a bit disappointing that despite originally stating that YC Research would target underfunded/underserved areas of research, they've decided to fund and dive into one of the most-hyped, well-funded areas of research: deep learning, an area of research where companies are hiring like crazy and even universities are hiring faculty like crazy. I'm reasonably sure all the research scientists had multiple job of…

I'm disappointed that you're disappointed. There's $1b coming from primarily not YC.

And I'm disappointed that you're disappointing that he's disappointed.
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