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Re: Japanese government dismantles freedom of the press

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Post by woodman » Fri, Dec 11, 2015, 10:19 PM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #104

woodman wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Internationalists, international cooperation ... are the province of the left and of moderates. This is the first time I've heard this charge. Consider which group is constantly demonized for globalization, and which group riots at WTO conferences. Democrats, for the last 100 years, have been protectionists.

Hmmm ... interesting points. On one hand, conservatives in the US have rejected multilateralism. For example, the latter Bush administration openly denigrated and ignored the UN and our European allies. Conservatives criticize even attempting to follow international law or legitimizing US military action through multilateral support, calling it weakness. They say they don't want to be tied down and see the US going i…

> Perhaps globalisation isn't international cooperation as much as international action

I'm not sure what kind of cooperation has a more positive impact than economic. It brings peace and prosperity.

> Clinton brought NAFTA to the US, Obama is trying to implement the TPP.

NAFTA was Bush Sr. The GOP has a lot of reasons to resist the TPP, but the main beef seems to be the executive branch's attempt at role reversal in the crafting of legislation.

> I will point out that you are talking about economic issues...

All politics are local, and nothing weighs move heavily on the minds of voters than an empty stomach.

Re: Japanese government dismantles freedom of the press

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Dec 11, 2015, 10:25 PM UTC

woodman wrote: post #111

hackuser wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm ... interesting points. On one hand, conservatives in the US have rejected multilateralism. For example, the latter Bush administration openly denigrated and ignored the UN and our European allies. Conservatives criticize even attempting to follow international law or legitimizing US military action through multilateral support, calling it weakness. They say they don't want to be tied down and see the US going i…

> Perhaps globalisation isn't international cooperation as much as international action I'm not sure what kind of cooperation has a more positive impact than economic. It brings peace and prosperity. > Clinton brought NAFTA to the US, Obama is trying to implement the TPP. NAFTA was Bush Sr. The GOP has a lot of reasons to resist the TPP, but the main beef seems to be the executive branch's attempt at role reversal in…

> NAFTA was Bush Sr.

NAFTA was negotiated under George H. W. Bush, but passed (by Congress) during (and with the support of and active lobby by) the Clinton administration.

> The GOP has a lot of reasons to resist the TPP, but the main beef seems to be the executive branch's attempt at role reversal in the crafting of legislation.

The GOP (including as recently as this year) has supported what you characterize as this "role reversal", through legislation on fast track negotiating authority and trade promotion authority.

Re: Japanese government dismantles freedom of the press

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Post by hackuser » Fri, Dec 11, 2015, 11:49 PM UTC

woodman wrote: post #111

hackuser wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm ... interesting points. On one hand, conservatives in the US have rejected multilateralism. For example, the latter Bush administration openly denigrated and ignored the UN and our European allies. Conservatives criticize even attempting to follow international law or legitimizing US military action through multilateral support, calling it weakness. They say they don't want to be tied down and see the US going i…

> Perhaps globalisation isn't international cooperation as much as international action I'm not sure what kind of cooperation has a more positive impact than economic. It brings peace and prosperity. > Clinton brought NAFTA to the US, Obama is trying to implement the TPP. NAFTA was Bush Sr. The GOP has a lot of reasons to resist the TPP, but the main beef seems to be the executive branch's attempt at role reversal in…

>> Perhaps globalisation isn't international cooperation as much as international action

> I'm not sure what kind of cooperation has a more positive impact than economic. It brings peace and prosperity.

I agree that economic cooperation brings peace and prosperity (speaking very generally). My point is that many see globalization not as cooperation but as an economic assault.

There's a long history of it: Back in the 19th century at least, trade "agreements" with weaker countries were often signed under threat of military action. In the early 20th century, the US military protected US corporate investments in the Americas. The U.S. overthrew Iran's government in the 1950s when they threatened to take control of their own oil industry. Many trade deals long have been considered to be one-sided, benefitting only a few narrow interests in the U.S.

I'm not advocating that side, only making the case that they have a strong reason to doubt that globalization is cooperative.

Re: Japanese government dismantles freedom of the press

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Post by Razengan » Sat, Dec 12, 2015, 1:55 PM UTC

Fando wrote: post #79

If you could redesign a system of government free from major flaws we see today, how would it work? Current systems almost seem to have a tendency to "breed" the types of malevolent, inefficient, greedy and problematic power structures we see. I think that at the root of the problem are natural human flaws. It seems almost certain that given enough time, no matter how well intentioned people are, the cumulative effec…

A government and enforcement (military/police) entirely made up of robots running open-sourced and transparent AI? So that everyone could see all the factors that go into their decisions, and the short- and long-term benefits that the AI calculated for all parties affected by its rulings.

I mean, if the core issue is natural human flaws, then removing humans from the process altogether, like we do with all our other routine automation, seems to be the inevitable solution.

The problem, of course, is deciding who gets to decide the initial set of rules, and when to patch what...

Re: Japanese government dismantles freedom of the press

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Post by tedks » Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 2:45 AM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #101

userulluipeste wrote: post #98

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"Nationalism has a strong component of devotion, an emotional attachment, to the state." Actually, as the name itself suggests, it is about devotion to the nation not the state. Nationalism never ceased to be promoted, even after ww2, but the attention bias caused much of it to go unnoticed. The so-called "rise" of today's nationalism is in fact more of a rise in public awareness to it from (globally) opposing sides.

> Actually, as the name itself suggests, it is about devotion to the nation not the state Nations are called States commonly. Sometimes even referred to as "Nation-States". The USA is unique in that we have states within a nation, rather than a single nation state and/or provinces.

Comments like these are why I think it's a little scary that schools that focus on broad knowledge of the world, including liberal arts as well as sciences, are being dismantled and turned into vocational training schools.

Is this a troll comment? Are you really so ignorant of the concept of a nation as opposed to a state? Do you really think that the US is "unique in that it has states within a nation"? Have you ever taken a political science class? Or even an American history class that talked about Mexico?