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Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#61

Why not ask for 50 cents or a new stamp in the envelope? Including a stamp is easier in an envelope, and it should make prepping a return envelope simpler. Require "forever" stamps to protect yourself from a postal price hike.

Keep the forever-stamps for a couple of years and return everything using a postal meter. Forever-stamp arbitrage should be full of all kinds of win.

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#62
post #45

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This is an Internet age Ponzi scheme.

Not really; while it does use some of its mechanisms, it lacks the crucial one: recursion.

How so? Each new "investor's" sticker goes to "pay off" a previous one, and then they are in turn "paid off" with the stickers from two new "investors."

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#63
post #58

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A ponzi scheme would require a larger upfront sticker investment from new investors with large but unsustainable sticker returns over time. This is just a straight up 'sticker + $.50' for 2 stickers exchange.

I thought that a Ponzi scheme was simply one where returns to existing investors are paid from the capital contributed by new investors.

It is, but for it to work you have to give the appearance that it is actually working for a long enough period of time. That requires exponential grow or most people reinvesting returns (so they don't realize there's no actual money to pay them back).

If you give the returns immediately (the two stickers) with no option to reinvest, the ponzi scheme is going to run out of steam very quickly and there's no way this is going to attract a lot of people.

In summary, this is a Ponzi Scheme, but not one that has a lot of chance of being sustained for very long.

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#64

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Not common to see the top story on HN have 0 comments, as it did when I loaded the page ...

Honestly not sure. I've never had a post rise this quickly, though it's definitely fun to watch! Here's a screenshot of where people are visiting from: https://i.imgur.com/Of5xKOk.png

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Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#65
The nit picking in these comments seems, for once, to actually be in good spirit, but this is a really fun idea!

I would love to do this with startup / event t-shirts so I could (eventually) clean out my drawers...too bad sizing clothes is a little more complicated than stickers.

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#66

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Take a percentage cut of the stickers (or postage cost)

Weeeeelll...if postage is 49 cents and people mail in 50 cents, that's your immense profit opportunity right there ;)

Indeed, and they don't have to tell anyone what the postage actually costs :)

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#67

Why not ask for 50 cents or a new stamp in the envelope? Including a stamp is easier in an envelope, and it should make prepping a return envelope simpler. Require "forever" stamps to protect yourself from a postal price hike.

Ah, we should update the website! If you send us a forever stamp instead of 50 cents, we'll honor it.

You should let people know not to send coins, too. Coins can get violently ejected from postal sorting machines and cause injuries.

(And as general advice, if you're going to do a mail campaign like this in the future, it might be a good idea to actually chat to a postal carrier about it first.)

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#68

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Ah, we should update the website! If you send us a forever stamp instead of 50 cents, we'll honor it.

You should let people know not to send coins, too. Coins can get violently ejected from postal sorting machines and cause injuries. (And as general advice, if you're going to do a mail campaign like this in the future, it might be a good idea to actually chat to a postal carrier about it first.)

You're right that people should not send coins in regular envelopes. But of course people mail coins, keys, and binder clips pretty frequently. Do you think USPS employees stand around an open sorting machine just waiting to get hit in the face with a paperclip?

I actually know someone who has worked on those machines for decades. He never told me anything other than that the machines might reject your letter, or your thumb drive might fall out and they'd not be able to find where to send it.

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#69
Which of the examples is considered to be a "startup"? The featured one is a 15-year-old spinoff of a public company with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. The second one is an actual public company with 4000 employees. The third one might be sort of a startup, but they have over 100 million dollars in VC backing.

Re: Show HN: Ponzi.es – Startup sticker ponzi scheme

#70

Which of the examples is considered to be a "startup"? The featured one is a 15-year-old spinoff of a public company with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. The second one is an actual public company with 4000 employees. The third one might be sort of a startup, but they have over 100 million dollars in VC backing.

For the sake of simplicity, we're using it as a blanket term for "tech company" and are happy with stickers for anything from a tiny 1 person company to a behemoth like Google (or an event like a hackathon).
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