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Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by ilurk »

kefka wrote: post #6

That's an interesting article, for sure. It also applies to what I've been diagnosed with as well. Type 2 diabetes. I'm applying data science to this disease. It's what I do, and can afford. Unfortunately, my doctor thinks that pushing pills is an adequate response, which I heartily doubt. The more I understand this disease, it has to do with either: pancreas is dead (type 1), or your glucose response/insulin respons…

Did you notice any differences depending on the carbs? White rice, brown rice, sweet potatoes.

And what about accompanying seasoning? Olive oil, coconut oil, fatty meat/fish.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by js2 »

justinph wrote: post #13

As someone who's going through a not very fun period of C. Diff, this is pretty relevant. There is still so much we don't know about what makes a healthy and un-healthy biome, it's maddening.

Ugh, went through that a couple years ago after a course of antibiotics due to a dog bite. Wouldn't wish it in my worse enemy. I'm also much more wary about ever taking antibiotics again.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by erkkie »

kefka wrote: post #25
shanusmagnus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congrats on your approach to managing your condition. Couple of things to think about. First, you may find a continuous glucose monitor helpful to get a more granular view of what's going on. Dexcom [1] makes the most popular one, which is also hackable [2]. Second, keep in mind that all carb avoidance isn't equal. If you up your protein a lot, you could still get postprandial glucose spikes due to gluconeogenesis fr…

Thank you. I've looked at the Dexcom unit. I would like to run with it for 2-3 needles (20-30 days) to get accurate data on things I surmise are good, but yet cannot prove. I've also worked on guessing the score before I test. Interestingly enough, after about 2 days with the meter, I within +-2 points. That really surprised me. And a very good point about the exercise after I eat. I have been doing that in the eveni…

Great to see someone taking charge of their condition and using data to do so.

Have you tried squats after eating.

Use of the largest muscles in the body may help with extra glucose sensitivity.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by mrob »

Retric wrote: post #27
Sargos wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those grains aren't good for paleo though since we didn't really eat them while evolving. Our bodies haven't been primarily digesting them for very long.

I think you underestimate how fast evolution happens. Lactose tolerance is a fairly recent, but widespread adaptation.

Speed of evolution depends on how strongly the adaptation influences reproductive success. It's possible that grain causes subtle long-term damage that mostly kills people past reproductive age, whereas lactose tolerance is of immediate benefit. If this is true then grain tolerance would evolve much slower than lactose tolerance. But note that the "subtle long term" damage argument applies to all foods, and it's uncertain if grains are significantly worse than any other.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by adrianN »

Sargos wrote: post #21
kuschku wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t even need to omit the grains. You can just eat Dinkel or Urkorn, two very common (like, in every bakery) types of grain that existed even in the paleolithic times. EDIT: Seriously, how is this not contributing? Please provide a comment if you think it is not contributing.

Those grains aren't good for paleo though since we didn't really eat them while evolving. Our bodies haven't been primarily digesting them for very long.

I don't think that we have very solid evidence on the diet we ate "while we were evolving" (when did that period stop?).

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by magicalist »

mrob wrote: post #34
Retric wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate how fast evolution happens. Lactose tolerance is a fairly recent, but widespread adaptation.

Speed of evolution depends on how strongly the adaptation influences reproductive success. It's possible that grain causes subtle long-term damage that mostly kills people past reproductive age, whereas lactose tolerance is of immediate benefit. If this is true then grain tolerance would evolve much slower than lactose tolerance. But note that the "subtle long term" damage argument applies to all foods, and it's unce…

> It's possible that grain causes subtle long-term damage that mostly kills people past reproductive age, whereas lactose tolerance is of immediate benefit.

Sure, and it's also possible the human body has already adapted to processing grains without long term damage, and it's possible that there was never any damage by consuming grains in the first place (the body is highly adaptable). All this line of argument is stating is that without any information, we have no information.

What Retric was stating is different though. There exists digestive adaptations that have happened relatively rapidly in relatively recent history, therefore merely the fact that foods were not available in more ancient history is not sufficient to argue that they "aren't good" for the body.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by radicalbyte »

kefka wrote: post #29
fasteo wrote: post #10

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Mind sharing your readings ?

Sure. You'll need LibreOffice. there's not many readings thus yet. However, given some of my previous symptoms (thirst, extreme hunger, overheating) along with family history, a basic test was done. a1c=7.1 and initial fasting glucose = 161mg/dL I'm approaching this aggressively, as I'm not sure exactly how many medical symptoms were caused/still caused by this, including mental fog during programming. https://mega.n…

Are you overweight? I am, and recently tested a1c @ 6.1. That's not Type-2, but it's dangerzone.

I'm dieting now, I'm going to re-test each time I drop 5kg to see if it helps.

see: http://www.gizmag.com/one-gram-pancreas-fat-reverse-type-2-d...

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by magicalist »

justinph wrote: post #13

As someone who's going through a not very fun period of C. Diff, this is pretty relevant. There is still so much we don't know about what makes a healthy and un-healthy biome, it's maddening.

Ask your doctor: http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/635-poop-pills-cure-d...

cost is relatively low (compared to typical C. diff treatments) and seems very effective, but isn't without it's risks. Research is still very early.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by mrfusion »

kefka wrote: post #6

That's an interesting article, for sure. It also applies to what I've been diagnosed with as well. Type 2 diabetes. I'm applying data science to this disease. It's what I do, and can afford. Unfortunately, my doctor thinks that pushing pills is an adequate response, which I heartily doubt. The more I understand this disease, it has to do with either: pancreas is dead (type 1), or your glucose response/insulin respons…

This is awesome. What are the most informative times to test after you eat?

My fasting glucose was 99 so I'm not sure what to make of that. I ordered a glucose monitor just to learn how different foods affect me.

Re: What Your Microbiome Wants for Dinner

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Post by mrfusion »

erkkie wrote: post #33
kefka wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I've looked at the Dexcom unit. I would like to run with it for 2-3 needles (20-30 days) to get accurate data on things I surmise are good, but yet cannot prove. I've also worked on guessing the score before I test. Interestingly enough, after about 2 days with the meter, I within +-2 points. That really surprised me. And a very good point about the exercise after I eat. I have been doing that in the eveni…

Great to see someone taking charge of their condition and using data to do so. Have you tried squats after eating. Use of the largest muscles in the body may help with extra glucose sensitivity.

Seems like good advice. I think this is recommended in the four hour body too. I'm not sure why it was down voted.
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