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Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by eropple »

cosarara97 wrote: post #30
eropple wrote: post #23

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I am well aware of that. I don't use GNOME or GTK (indeed, on my Linux desktop libglib isn't even installed).

What are you running, Alpine?

I'm running Debian with KDE. The GNU tools are installed but by weight they're nowhere near the majority of the code on the system, to say nothing of the components I actually use. So calling that machine "GNU/Linux" instead of "KDE/X.org/Linux", given the relative importance of the individual components, would be stupid.

Fortunately, we have the nearly universally understood "Linux" instead, and weird specializations like Android can be called something else.

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by slavik81 »

Afforess wrote: post #14
Fuxy wrote: post #11

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I switched to linux mint a while back and i have to say I'm very satisfied of how stable and easy to use it is. It's basically Ubuntu LTS without all the buggy slow crap like unity.

Call me crazy, but I really like Unity. Back on windows, I always kept by taskbar on the left side anyway, and I prefer the dash search to anything else I've seen.

My favourite thing is hitting Alt and searching through menu items. It's what I miss most when using Gnome or Windows.

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by StavrosK »

thomnottom wrote: post #38
davidw wrote: post #26

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When I read "reinstall to upgrade" I decided Mint wasn't for me. I use Xubuntu and it's pretty good - Ubuntu without the dumbed-down Unity stuff.

That's what happened with me on Mint. I appreciate how quickly I can re-install Linux and get everything back to how I want it, but I want that to be by choice not by design.

I decided to reinstall Ubuntu a while ago, because I was upgrading in-place since 10.10, and I decided to create a local Ansible playbook and a bash script for whatever the Ansible playbook couldn't handle.

I added it to my dotfiles repo and it's been working perfectly. Not only for installing on a new machine, but for syncing changes across computers as well. I install some new software on my laptop, I add it to my provisioning file and commit one or two of its dotfiles, and, when I move to the desktop, its entire state is one "git pull; provision" away.

I have no idea why I haven't done this earlier. Here's the playbook, if you're curious:

https://www.pastery.net/ztduxp/

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ake1 wrote: post #29
DataWorker wrote: post #28

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Disagree that people are 'pretty ok' with the two options. Ubuntu phone was a glimmer of hope for me, a very faint glimmer, but it was something. I remember people saying the compact disc was dead. History makes fools of many.

the compact disk is not dead?

I use 100gb blurays for backup.

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by marssaxman »

mhall119 wrote: post #3
Theodores wrote: post #2

I have been using Ubuntu since before Unity (when this 'dash' thing arrived) and I don't think I have ever used the dash. If I need to find a file or something on the internets I am more likely to think 'I must use Gopher for this!!!' than I am ever to think of using 'Ubuntu dash'. It is one of those helpful creations like the F1 key that is a great idea in theory but not used in practice. In some way they have manag…

'find' and 'grep' don't work on your Google Drive docs though

Sounds like yet another reason to use real files instead of giving all your data to Google (and thereby the NSA).

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by e12e »

eropple wrote: post #41
cosarara97 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you running, Alpine?

I'm running Debian with KDE. The GNU tools are installed but by weight they're nowhere near the majority of the code on the system, to say nothing of the components I actually use. So calling that machine "GNU/Linux" instead of "KDE/X.org/Linux", given the relative importance of the individual components, would be stupid. Fortunately, we have the nearly universally understood "Linux" instead, and weird specialization…

I agree that "naming all the things" is a bit silly. But I think GNU/Linux indicates Linux kernel, GNU libc, compiled with gcc -- which is actually kind of useful information. It doesn't say anything about the Graphical UI (if any). Similarly I think Android/Linux is useful, because it indicates something about what kind of (binary) software you can expect will work - and what will not.

I also happen to think distinctions such as Debian/kFreeBSD (a Debian distribution based around the FreeBSD kernel, as opposed to (just) the regular FreeBSD user-land) are informative.

I'm not sure what one should/would call a Linux distribution with an alternative (non-GNU) libc that relied on a non-GNU compiler chain... Probably "brandname"/Linux or "function"/Linux (eg: Linux Router Project or something)...

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by eropple »

e12e wrote: post #46
eropple wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running Debian with KDE. The GNU tools are installed but by weight they're nowhere near the majority of the code on the system, to say nothing of the components I actually use. So calling that machine "GNU/Linux" instead of "KDE/X.org/Linux", given the relative importance of the individual components, would be stupid. Fortunately, we have the nearly universally understood "Linux" instead, and weird specialization…

I agree that "naming all the things" is a bit silly. But I think GNU/Linux indicates Linux kernel, GNU libc, compiled with gcc -- which is actually kind of useful information. It doesn't say anything about the Graphical UI (if any). Similarly I think Android/Linux is useful, because it indicates something about what kind of (binary) software you can expect will work - and what will not. I also happen to think distinc…

This isn't a technical thing for any of the major proponents, though. It's a marketing thing, because after the spectacular failure of Hurd GNU was relegated to effectively a sideline (a useful one, for sure, but a sideline). I get a lot more direct and personal value out of code not provided by GNU than I do by code provided by GNU. I don't think they merit top billing, and I don't think the two decades of holding one's breath and turning purple deserves a reward.

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by quadrangle »

eropple wrote: post #47
e12e wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that "naming all the things" is a bit silly. But I think GNU/Linux indicates Linux kernel, GNU libc, compiled with gcc -- which is actually kind of useful information. It doesn't say anything about the Graphical UI (if any). Similarly I think Android/Linux is useful, because it indicates something about what kind of (binary) software you can expect will work - and what will not. I also happen to think distinc…

This isn't a technical thing for any of the major proponents, though. It's a marketing thing, because after the spectacular failure of Hurd GNU was relegated to effectively a sideline (a useful one, for sure, but a sideline). I get a lot more direct and personal value out of code not provided by GNU than I do by code provided by GNU. I don't think they merit top billing, and I don't think the two decades of holding o…

Look, the Linux kernel itself uses the GNU GPL, so GNU probably is the most important factor in all of this. Linux kernel under a proprietary license or even under BSD-style, you probably would never have heard of it. At any rate, basically nobody thinks HURD is useful anymore. RMS thinks time spent on HURD is a waste since it is totally unneeded now that we have the Linux kernel. GNU is a political movement about software freedom as much or more than a particular set of software, and even KDE is licensed with a GNU license. etc.

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by eropple »

quadrangle wrote: post #48
eropple wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a technical thing for any of the major proponents, though. It's a marketing thing, because after the spectacular failure of Hurd GNU was relegated to effectively a sideline (a useful one, for sure, but a sideline). I get a lot more direct and personal value out of code not provided by GNU than I do by code provided by GNU. I don't think they merit top billing, and I don't think the two decades of holding o…

Look, the Linux kernel itself uses the GNU GPL, so GNU probably is the most important factor in all of this. Linux kernel under a proprietary license or even under BSD-style, you probably would never have heard of it. At any rate, basically nobody thinks HURD is useful anymore. RMS thinks time spent on HURD is a waste since it is totally unneeded now that we have the Linux kernel. GNU is a political movement about so…

"Look," the creator of Linux could not give the faintest fart about GNU and has said he'd use a different license if he could. Why should a political movement that specializes in lousy marketing campaigns and haranguing be given a nod?

I do like that attempt, though. "Well, they used a license that GNU wrote, so GNU should get top billing!" Do you want to talk about how well Apache/Dropwizard and PostgreSQL/PostgreSQL work with Apache/Kotlin on GNU/OpenJDK8?

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 – Online searches in the dash to be off by default

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Post by quadrangle »

eropple wrote: post #49
quadrangle wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, the Linux kernel itself uses the GNU GPL, so GNU probably is the most important factor in all of this. Linux kernel under a proprietary license or even under BSD-style, you probably would never have heard of it. At any rate, basically nobody thinks HURD is useful anymore. RMS thinks time spent on HURD is a waste since it is totally unneeded now that we have the Linux kernel. GNU is a political movement about so…

"Look," the creator of Linux could not give the faintest fart about GNU and has said he'd use a different license if he could. Why should a political movement that specializes in lousy marketing campaigns and haranguing be given a nod? I do like that attempt, though. "Well, they used a license that GNU wrote, so GNU should get top billing!" Do you want to talk about how well Apache/Dropwizard and PostgreSQL/PostgreSQ…

> has said he'd use a different license if he could

Citation?

A constantly repeated quote from Linus is precisely: "Making Linux GPL'd was definitely the best thing I ever did." from a 1997 interview according to https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds

I've never heard Torvalds say anything regretful about using GPL. When I heard him in person just last year, he clarified his dislike of GPLv3 while emphasizing his preference and like of GPLv2.

And anyway, I didn't say anything about "top billing". The fact is, Linux itself is, admittedly, absurd billing for Linus given that he is the leader of the kernel project but is among thousands of people who make it happen. GNU is not a term that credits Richard Stallman. GNU is a community project with a particular political aim. And my point all along was just about some practical way to differentiate Android from the other primary Linux-based systems, and "GNU/Linux" is a way to do that.

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