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Re: I went to help at Calais’s Jungle refugee camp – and what I saw haunts me

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Post by ZenoArrow » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 8:44 PM UTC

vlehto wrote: post #49

ZenoArrow wrote: post #40

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> ""Road to hell is pawed with good intentions"" There are no good intentions causing problems here, Western governments are deliberately destabilising their country, we have a moral responsibility to help the refugees that escaped as a result.

If you are talking about U.S. actually going into Syria, picking orphaned children and maimed people. Then fly them to U.S. proper, provide for them and educate them? I could not agree more. And if U.S. does this to lets say 10k people, EU should take another 10K. This would not solve any real problem in the Middle east, but it would be very noble gesture. But that would be pretty much opposite to what is happening i…

I'm saying that those in charge know that bombing the country is ineffective against ISIS, but they do it anyway. Why would they do it if they know it's ineffective?

As for flying in to save civilians, I'm all for it, but let's stop dropping bombs on them first.

Re: I went to help at Calais’s Jungle refugee camp – and what I saw haunts me

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Post by zoner » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 9:14 PM UTC

When the Hungarian revolution of 1956 against communism was knocked down, I didn't hear the refugees smashed truck windows, left tons of rubbish after themselves in foreign countries, neither attacked each other or raped women.

Sorry for the exception, I really hate when people starve or cold. I know there are good people there, kids and women as well, but their culture is just not fit in to Europe.

Re: I went to help at Calais’s Jungle refugee camp – and what I saw haunts me

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Post by jsprogrammer » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 9:17 PM UTC

zardo wrote: post #27

jsprogrammer wrote: post #23

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>Every luxury you bought could have fed a poor starving family in India for months, maybe even years or decades. >And yet you chose to buy that iPhone6 or BMW or the bigger house. What? How can an iPhone6 be transformed into food in India? Edit; WTF? A comment two above me got [flagged] and removed? I thought we were trying to have a conversation here.

You are familiar with the concept of exchanging goods for money? Money that is used to buy luxuries for one person, could have been used to buy necessities for another.

>You are familiar with the concept of exchanging goods for money?

I am. Are you familiar with the concepts of agriculture, animal husbandry, and manufacture of electronics?

>Money that is used to buy luxuries for one person, could have been used to buy necessities for another.

Goods and money are not fully fungible.

Re: I went to help at Calais’s Jungle refugee camp – and what I saw haunts me

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Post by Lawtonfogle » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 9:34 PM UTC

schiffern wrote: post #24

vlehto wrote: post #19

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I find it deeply disturbing, that comment dealing with systemic problem is judged by apparent feelings of the commenter.

In your view, is it less disturbing when systemic human problems are worked out without a shred of human compassion? Why or why not?

Don't surgeons work best when they can treat their patient as an it instead of a person? One of the reasons behind banning someone from doing surgery on a loved one is because they have a strong pre-existing emotional connection that reduces their effectiveness, no?

Re: I went to help at Calais’s Jungle refugee camp – and what I saw haunts me

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Post by elthran » Fri, Dec 11, 2015, 9:45 AM UTC

seivan wrote: post #47

ZenoArrow wrote: post #40

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> ""Road to hell is pawed with good intentions"" There are no good intentions causing problems here, Western governments are deliberately destabilising their country, we have a moral responsibility to help the refugees that escaped as a result.

Their country? who is They? Who is western? It's Assad, Iran and Turkey. We used to tell people to stop reading Fox news, now I feel like Vox and The Guardian is at play here. Maybe you should talk to "they" who still are in those countries.

I have similar feelings about the Grauniad. It's Fox News, albeit much better written and more journalistic, for the opposite side of the political spectrum.

I'll still read their food sections though, at least while they have Jay Rayner writing for them.