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Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by underwater »

rockarage wrote: post #36
underwater wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would use this for my personal videos. I've had videos taken down from Facebook before because, even though I was just sharing it with friends, I used a track that was protected by copyright. Being able to construct a track with the right feel without worrying about copyright would be amazing for a simple video editor or on something like Instagram.

Sure, but most people want to use popular music, as a result the most popular video editor for istagram has licensed popular music* from the majors. This is not a novel business. * http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/storytelling-socia...

Interesting. That doesn't scale though, because you can't upload the same clip to YouTube without it being flagged. Having rights to backing music is not great as a differentiator for a social network.

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by underwater »

morninj wrote: post #53
underwater wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would use this for my personal videos. I've had videos taken down from Facebook before because, even though I was just sharing it with friends, I used a track that was protected by copyright. Being able to construct a track with the right feel without worrying about copyright would be amazing for a simple video editor or on something like Instagram.

"Just sharing with friends" is still copyright infringement. The owner of the copyright--not you--gets to decide how the work is reproduced and distributed, unless you have a defense like fair use. (I'm not saying this is always a good thing; it's just how the law works.)

Yeah it is, but in the scheme of things it's pretty benign. I couldn't purchase the rights to use the song even if I wanted to, and I'm only using a portion of the track, so I'm not actually denying them income.

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by underwater »

anigbrowl wrote: post #60
underwater wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would use this for my personal videos. I've had videos taken down from Facebook before because, even though I was just sharing it with friends, I used a track that was protected by copyright. Being able to construct a track with the right feel without worrying about copyright would be amazing for a simple video editor or on something like Instagram.

Yeah, but you're probably not willing to pay enough to make it profitable if your videos are for personal entertainment only rather than aiming at any kind of significant audience.

From the data I've found Pandora pays around 0.2 cents per stream. I'd be more than willing to pay that (or even 10x as much) to use a track on a video that a couple of hundred friends might see.

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

#144

Post by qq66 »

edrex1 wrote: post #56
qq66 wrote: post #9

The output is interesting... decent enough for an ambient background track! An interesting Version 2 would be a way to construct a song for a particular video (perhaps ingesting the Adobe Premiere project file)... Making sure the downbeats are synchronized to visual cuts, being able to switch moods when the video calls for it, and perhaps even tweaking the video timing to match the rhythm (a Premiere plugin could all…

Thanks - really interesting idea. We can already make the exact duration and number of beats work, so it would be a question of lining that up with various points in the video.

You could ask for a naming convention in Premiere -- so that various clips or chapters are tagged with #dark or #exciting in their title, and then Jukedeck would play the appropriate type of music at the right time. If you can't get it lined up perfectly, you should transition the music before the video cut, not after.

The start time for a clip is much more important than the end time, so you should adjust the cutoff time for the clip by shrinking it from the end (never expanding it, as clips are often truncated when the footage becomes unusable, i.e. when someone walked in front of the camera, etc.)

I can imagine a Premiere plugin with a stored credit card, and you guys doing a brisk business that way. You could even then become a marketplace for royalty music, have a store where people can upload their music tagged with moods, and video creators could see royalty-free options from Jukedeck or royalty options from third parties.

Places you can add unique IP are: the ability to extract a mood from the video clip itself (most likely through color grading, the speed of pans, the frequency of cuts, and whether it's tripod or handheld), and the ability to automatically extract a mood from 3rd-party music, so I can automatically see the pop songs that are best fits for my video.

Find a way to do this without having to upload the actual video file, because that will kill the experience. Work-in-progress video files are often multi-gigabyte.

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by Schwolop »

For context - I'm building autonomous Escape Rooms that react to the player's actions. We currently have several long tracks that fit various sections of the games, and we switch between them at story junctures, by playing loud sound effects that mask the transitions.

I would pay in the order of thousands of $ (pounds in your case...) for this system running locally in my network, and in what I would call 'continuous mode'. By which I mean, I give it initial conditions and the track just evolves continuously forever[1].

Ideally, I could then send additional configuration messages and have it evolve further. e.g. Start with ambient/sparse. After a few minutes, I send a command to transition to ambient/sci-fi. Then later, to electronic/aggressive, with a seamless transition between. Even better if I can have a command that is essentially "react to this message", and it does something like a cymbal clash or whatever is appropriate for the settings.

I've done improvised theatre shows before with a jazz band that did all this for us, and it was AMAZING! Being able to do it with an automated system would be a game-changer for my business. I've been considering writing it myself, but it would cost at least tens of thousands of dollars worth of my time, and our current solution is sufficiently adequate that I'm not ready to do so yet.

[1] Ironically, given your current business model, I'd actually have almost zero interest in retaining the music after it's been played.)

On a positive note, I really enjoyed all the tracks I did make!

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by jwsm »

strayptr wrote: post #118
modeless wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dynamic doesn't necessarily mean "random". A game with dynamic music could still have a set of common themes. Good composers can blend themes together and make variations on a theme for any mood. There's no fundamental reason dynamic music couldn't be every bit as good, musically, as pre-composed music.

Has there been research into this? That's a really cool concept. It's something I'd like to look into, if anyone knows any references.

I heard an interesting talk by someone who explored real-time game soundtrack composition for his dissertation: http://www.danielbrownmusic.com/artificial-musical-intellige...

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by Animats »

iraphael wrote: post #5

According to their pricing page ( https://www.jukedeck.com/pricing ), you can use the track free of royalty, but if you want to actually own it, you have to pay $199. But this falls kind of in a gray area. If the AI created the tracks, why does the company own the copyright (and thus, have the right to sell it)? In December 2014, the United States Copyright Office stated that works created by a non-human are not subj…

US law in this area is interesting. There is no "sweat of the brow" copyright in the US. This was clearly established in Feist vs. Rural Telephone, the Supreme Court decision that it was permissible to copy data from telephone books into a database. The Constitution gives Congress the power "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries", and the Supreme Court says Congress can't go beyond that in intellectual property law. The US, therefore, has no database copyright, although some countries do.

This was followed by the famous Bridgeman vs. Corel, which established that taking a picture of a work doesn't create a new copyright. Thus, pictures of public domain works are public domain. Despite much huffing and puffing and disinformation by the museum community, that's now settled law. Nobody has gone to court to try to overturn it. (The National Portrait Gallery (UK) threatened to sue Wikipedia, then backed down once they realized they would lose.) There's also Meshwerks vs Toyota; a 3D scan of a physical object doesn't create a new copyright in the 3D scan. That's an appellate decision and reaffirmed Bridgeman.

So, for copyright in the US, there must be an Author. (This can be a corporation, but that comes under the law on work-for-hire; the individuals involved are the initial authors but the rights accrue to the employer.) You can make a strong argument that under US law, works created by computers are not copyrightable.

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by bduerst »

Animats wrote: post #147
iraphael wrote: post #5

According to their pricing page ( https://www.jukedeck.com/pricing ), you can use the track free of royalty, but if you want to actually own it, you have to pay $199. But this falls kind of in a gray area. If the AI created the tracks, why does the company own the copyright (and thus, have the right to sell it)? In December 2014, the United States Copyright Office stated that works created by a non-human are not subj…

US law in this area is interesting. There is no "sweat of the brow" copyright in the US. This was clearly established in Feist vs. Rural Telephone , the Supreme Court decision that it was permissible to copy data from telephone books into a database. The Constitution gives Congress the power "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right…

Digital tools are used all the time by artists to create works that they own. Doesn't this count as a more complex tool to generate digital works that they own?

Kind of like a studio letting you use their equipment under a prior agreement that anything you generate they own until you purchase it.

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