Warning signs of cyber crime * Is your child spending all of their time online? * Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing? * Do they have irregular sleeping patterns? * Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how? * Are they resistant when asked what they do online? * Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband? * Have they b…
Sounds familiar... * Has your son asked you to change ISPs? * Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing? * Has your child asked for new hardware? * Does your child read hacking manuals? * How much time does your child spend using the computer each day? * Does your son use Quake? * Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour? * Is your son obsessed with "Luni…
Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
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Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#22Apologies for veering slightly off-topic and the pedantry. Is 'cyber' actually used by technically competent folk now? It's been cropping up alot with the 'cyber' crime, 'cyber' attacks happening in 'cyber' space recently, needing improved 'cyber' security skills. Usually the term's reserved for either mass-media outlets, or people trying to scare you.
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#23Children committing crimes using computers is a real problem and should not be disregarded. See the last portion of "Reflections on Trusting Trust". That said, this webpage is dangerous and misleading for a lot of reasons, but I'll try to focus on the problems that are actionable: 1. The "warning signs" the article enumerates are almost certainly not significantly correlated with youth who commit cyber crimes. In oth…
A lot of people in the security industry would not even consider "configuring firewalls and installing AV" to be security work, in most organizations that rests with the sysadmins and network engineers, who also have a varied and challenging field.
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#24Apologies for veering slightly off-topic and the pedantry. Is 'cyber' actually used by technically competent folk now? It's been cropping up alot with the 'cyber' crime, 'cyber' attacks happening in 'cyber' space recently, needing improved 'cyber' security skills. Usually the term's reserved for either mass-media outlets, or people trying to scare you.
I once kept a list of every cyber-* I heard at an industry conference with the idea of making Conference Cyberbingo. Notable entries included "cybertactics," "cyberstrategy," "cyberthreat".
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds familiar... * Has your son asked you to change ISPs? * Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing? * Has your child asked for new hardware? * Does your child read hacking manuals? * How much time does your child spend using the computer each day? * Does your son use Quake? * Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour? * Is your son obsessed with "Luni…
Please, please tell me that link is satire...
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#26Children committing crimes using computers is a real problem and should not be disregarded. See the last portion of "Reflections on Trusting Trust". That said, this webpage is dangerous and misleading for a lot of reasons, but I'll try to focus on the problems that are actionable: 1. The "warning signs" the article enumerates are almost certainly not significantly correlated with youth who commit cyber crimes. In oth…
I object to your dismissal of my industry as "configuring firewalls and installing AV". Certainly the security industry is not for everyone, but it does have a wide variety of interesting challenges ranging from highly theoretical to highly applied. My friends and coworkers in the security community do everything from mathematics to public policy, with no small amount of software engineering and systems design in bet…
Basically, my advice is to scrap what the article suggests and instead prefer "intellectually stimulating" to "related to security" when diverting a bright child's interests. It's often easy to find something sufficiently intellectually stimulating if you don't focus on security. Also, something related to security isn't necessarily at all intellectually stimulating (again, please don't flip my quantifier...).
> I object to your dismissal of my industry as "configuring firewalls and installing AV".
This wasn't my intention. FTR I respect security professionals and IT folk of all stripes.
But there are boring jobs in every indsutry.
My observation is only that diverting a student to the nearest person whose job has anything to do with "cyber security" is not likely to end with that student showing up at a security research lab. Similarly, I think it's a laughably bad idea to try to get a kid who is already checking out of school to prep for something like a CREST certification exam.
> Certainly the security industry is not for everyone
This was more my other point.
I doubt that most students who are interested in computers and who are also acting out using computers are necessarily interested in computer security. I think that assuming this fundamentally misunderstands/conflates two very different things going on in the student's life -- their interest in computers/science/technology, and anti-social behavior.
> A lot of people in the security industry would not even consider "configuring firewalls and installing AV" to be security work
Unfortunately most of the teachers/parents reading that webpage are unlikely to know the difference.
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#27Apologies for veering slightly off-topic and the pedantry. Is 'cyber' actually used by technically competent folk now? It's been cropping up alot with the 'cyber' crime, 'cyber' attacks happening in 'cyber' space recently, needing improved 'cyber' security skills. Usually the term's reserved for either mass-media outlets, or people trying to scare you.
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I object to your dismissal of my industry as "configuring firewalls and installing AV". Certainly the security industry is not for everyone, but it does have a wide variety of interesting challenges ranging from highly theoretical to highly applied. My friends and coworkers in the security community do everything from mathematics to public policy, with no small amount of software engineering and systems design in bet…
I think you've misinterpreted me. The problem is not that security work isn't interesting. The problem is that the sorts of security-related things a teacher/parent is most likely to point their children to (most likely the school's IT staff or some ridiculous certification exam) aren't interesting. Basically, my advice is to scrap what the article suggests and instead prefer "intellectually stimulating" to "related…
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#29So, the UK Government thinks every programmer is a criminal?
> Many of these are just normal teenage behaviours and don't necessarily suggest a young person is at risk of getting involved in cyber crime. No. Some are just presenting normal teenage behaviours.
Re: Warning signs of cyber crime according to UK National Crime Agency
#30So, the UK Government thinks every programmer is a criminal?
> Many of these are just normal teenage behaviours and don't necessarily suggest a young person is at risk of getting involved in cyber crime. No. Some are just presenting normal teenage behaviours.