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Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by Nadya »

bpicolo wrote: post #18
DennisP wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The program wouldn't own the copyright, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the company which made the program would own the copyright. It could end up public domain. E.g. the recently infamous selfie by a monkey was ruled public domain, having been produced by a non-human. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie

Software expressly created by a human here.

Doesn't hold up. Library of Babel and the Universal Slideshow would be able to claim copyright on all photographs and literature because all photographs and all literature that ever will be or ever was is contained within their corpus/gallery.

Every picture you've ever taken, the Universal Slideshow already contains that picture. The picture of your birth, every memorable moment of your life, and every possible variation of your death.

[0] http://libraryofbabel.info/

[1] https://babelia.libraryofbabel.info/slideshow.html

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by tdb7893 »

Nadya wrote: post #21
bpicolo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software expressly created by a human here.

Doesn't hold up. Library of Babel and the Universal Slideshow would be able to claim copyright on all photographs and literature because all photographs and all literature that ever will be or ever was is contained within their corpus/gallery. Every picture you've ever taken, the Universal Slideshow already contains that picture. The picture of your birth, every memorable moment of your life, and every possible varia…

They probably would only have copyright over what they create, not everything they could create

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by ireflect »

lectrick wrote: post #13

Does anyone (perhaps a music theorist) know what rules determine what notes sound well following each other/together? I find an interesting parallel between 1/2/4/8 repeating beats/parts in songs, and binary...

This is a pretty big question with lots of potential answers, but the answer you're probably looking for is the rules of harmony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony

tl;dr: Frequencies that are related by some simple ratios are defined as "intervals" which are organized into scales. A handful of those make up the vast majority of popular western music and "sound good together".

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by Nadya »

tdb7893 wrote: post #24
Nadya wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't hold up. Library of Babel and the Universal Slideshow would be able to claim copyright on all photographs and literature because all photographs and all literature that ever will be or ever was is contained within their corpus/gallery. Every picture you've ever taken, the Universal Slideshow already contains that picture. The picture of your birth, every memorable moment of your life, and every possible varia…

They probably would only have copyright over what they create, not everything they could create

Everything is already created. In regards to the Library of Babel, you can even search the library to verify this. (There is an extended Library that contains entire novels to be searched - the web version is a bit smaller/limited to pages.)

It's already there it just needs to be found. That's the entire point!

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by nonotmeplease »

arfar wrote: post #15
iraphael wrote: post #5

According to their pricing page ( https://www.jukedeck.com/pricing ), you can use the track free of royalty, but if you want to actually own it, you have to pay $199. But this falls kind of in a gray area. If the AI created the tracks, why does the company own the copyright (and thus, have the right to sell it)? In December 2014, the United States Copyright Office stated that works created by a non-human are not subj…

This isn't a legal opinion and shouldn't be taken as legal advice. Interestingly, I think New Zealand law does have this case covered. There's special mention of "computer-generated" works under Section 5[1] of the Copyright Act which states (as I read it) that the person who wrote the computer program to generate the audio is the author of the audio. [1] http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/D..…

What happens if write a program to generate all data in the world? 000000 000001 000010 000011 000100 Do I own every file?

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by sleepychu »

nonotmeplease wrote: post #27
arfar wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a legal opinion and shouldn't be taken as legal advice. Interestingly, I think New Zealand law does have this case covered. There's special mention of "computer-generated" works under Section 5[1] of the Copyright Act which states (as I read it) that the person who wrote the computer program to generate the audio is the author of the audio. [1] http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/D..…

What happens if write a program to generate all data in the world? 000000 000001 000010 000011 000100 Do I own every file?

Even if you've never generated the files?

Re: Show HN: Jukedeck – create unique, royalty-free music for your videos using A.I.

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Post by WaylonKenning »

nonotmeplease wrote: post #27
arfar wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a legal opinion and shouldn't be taken as legal advice. Interestingly, I think New Zealand law does have this case covered. There's special mention of "computer-generated" works under Section 5[1] of the Copyright Act which states (as I read it) that the person who wrote the computer program to generate the audio is the author of the audio. [1] http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/D..…

What happens if write a program to generate all data in the world? 000000 000001 000010 000011 000100 Do I own every file?

I remember someone created a P2P file sharing system that used 'munges' of files to create blocks of data by themselves that have no meaning (a bit like http://monolith.sourceforge.net/). These blocks were then transferred around the network, and people could claim "I'm not transferring files, I'm transferring meaningless blocks of data".

Sure, but (and I'm not a lawyer), intent of law is just as important as the literal meaning of law. Cases play out this intent and add to the corpus of knowledge as case law. So if you did write a program to generate all the data in the world, I'd imagine people would look at your intent, rather than just what you literally did.

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