1984 – When women stopped coding
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Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#2According to [1], 1984 was the year when Common Lisp and MATLAB were invented.
But perhaps a more causative correlation is that in 1983, C++ was born (after being called "C with classes" a few years before).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languag...
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#3According to [1], 1984 was the year when Common Lisp and MATLAB were invented. But perhaps a more causative correlation is that in 1983, C++ was born (after being called "C with classes" a few years before). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languag...
But what would these technologies have to do with the decline of women in CS?
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#4According to [1], 1984 was the year when Common Lisp and MATLAB were invented. But perhaps a more causative correlation is that in 1983, C++ was born (after being called "C with classes" a few years before). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languag...
But what would these technologies have to do with the decline of women in CS?
Probably nothing.
More likely marketing computer as boy/nerd toy is what caused a shift.
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#5Transcript or tl;dr available?
I assume it has to do with computers becoming a mass-market commodity and marketing strategies involving "traditional" gender roles.
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#6I have daughters and was not able to get them interested in any computer unless it involves games or social media.
But the boys they hang out with are the same way- games only, for the most part.
While I played a lot of games on my computer as a youth, I also spent a lot of time trying to program games. Today, I'm a developer.
Because of kids' fascination with their phones and tablets, and because programming isn't a "normal" thing on computers, I really don't have high hopes for the future of the development community at all, much less for the future of women in this field.
But, getting back to the topic of my daughters, my experience has been that:
1. If given the choice, they would not choose the constructive, mechanical toys I grew up with where they might get into robotics or mechanical engineering (e.g. Thames & Kosmos or Mindstorms) although one enjoyed putting a tin can robot together.
2. They also would not choose the electrical kits to put things together and get into electrical engineering, although I did get a kit and my daughters played with them a few times. It just took too much time and attention to have anything happen, and when it did, it wasn't exciting the way it was for me as a kid- it was boring compared to their phones and tablets.
3. As for development, I was able to show one of my daughters how they could play music by programming in emulator of an old computer, but they had little interest. I was able to get that daughter to work with me to use Scratch to program something for about an hour and she really liked it, but she's not asked about it since.
Today's environment is just not the same. As much as parents who are developers try to get their kids into development, I just see it as a losing battle.
What the world needs is an operating system (or systems) or even an application or set of applications that almost everyone would want to use that require programming in some form or fashion to accomplish everyday tasks better.
But, iOS, Android, OS X, Windows, Linux and most applications that people use and games people play- they don't really work like that so much. You can get by without learning to code as a casual user, and the bar is so high now to create anything that a casual user would actually want to use or play. The closest thing to it really is a spreadsheet application or rules in an email application, and most users barely use those.
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#7According to [1], 1984 was the year when Common Lisp and MATLAB were invented. But perhaps a more causative correlation is that in 1983, C++ was born (after being called "C with classes" a few years before). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languag...
But what would these technologies have to do with the decline of women in CS?
The field was rapidly changing, far more so than other fields, maybe it changed into something that women were less interested in? There are fields that arguably men have reduced interest in that are over-represented with females, for example health care, clinical psychology, fashion etc. I'm pretty sure that's not a bad thing, as long as those men and women with more divergent interests compared to the average are free to move laterally.
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#8I don't think it's about absolute numbers, women did not stop coding. It's just more men starting to code, which makes the share of women smaller.
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#9I have daughters and was not able to get them interested in any computer unless it involves games or social media. But the boys they hang out with are the same way- games only, for the most part. While I played a lot of games on my computer as a youth, I also spent a lot of time trying to program games. Today, I'm a developer. Because of kids' fascination with their phones and tablets, and because programming isn't a…
Over the course of the next century programming will become a blue collar profession. Children who develop an interest in programming will become about as common as children who are interested in tablesaws or cutting torches.
Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#10The actual article is here: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-...