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How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the nature programs. I watched Wild America exclusively as a toddler

I am rather fond of Wild Kratts. It is a victory in the house if the kids pick that over Power Rangers.

Wild Kratts is actually pretty good stuff. It tends to be the go-to for my kids and I hate it a lot less than most of the other options.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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I don't understand why folks think this is out-of-place on HN. It seems on target to me. It is evidence of an emergent media phenomenon (albeit a slow one) - that a single character on an iconic platform changed its dynamic enough to cause its identity to come into question. Because Sesame Street leveraged novelty and maturity, the emergence of a cutesy, immature, "it's all about MEEE!" type of character represents a…

It would have been interesting to explore characters as they age throughout the show. Given the shows longevity it could have been really interesting to have a varied set of characters age right along with the viewers. Children could identify with Elmo for their entire lives. The Elmo of today would be finishing school and starting a job, and only visiting occasionally. He would take a very different role than that o…

Aren't these characters those like Maria, Gordon, and Mr. Hooper?

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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I'd rather a million Elmo-centric Sesame Street episodes than even one episode of Barney or Caillou. That said, every kid needs some old-school, Elmo-free Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. (No, "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" is not the same; it's insipid and dumb by comparison.) Also, back in the day, Square One TV had a police-procedural parody called Mathnet that was still loads better than network TV's attempt at a…

> "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" is not the same; it's insipid and dumb by comparison.)

Funny, because DTN is a award winning show with excellent writers and a body of research and consulting experts backing up their approach. It's only "insipid" if you try to analyze it as an adult. For kids, its engaging and important.

Compare and contrast to other popular shows like Pororo that, while charming and well executed, really don't have nearly so much science behind them.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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Adults are no longer the target audience for these shows.

Malcolm Gladwell touched on this in the Tipping Point.

Sesame Street pioneered the use of TV to entertain and educate toddlers. But a lot of the original content was beyond the comprehension of younger children.

While Elmo is annoying to us, he is perfect at keeping the attention of a young child, and while he has their attention he can teach them things.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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I'd rather a million Elmo-centric Sesame Street episodes than even one episode of Barney or Caillou. That said, every kid needs some old-school, Elmo-free Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. (No, "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" is not the same; it's insipid and dumb by comparison.) Also, back in the day, Square One TV had a police-procedural parody called Mathnet that was still loads better than network TV's attempt at a…

> Also, back in the day, Square One TV had a police-procedural parody called Mathnet I remember that; it was awesome . Drenched in cheesiness, but it served its goal, and it did manage the "tainment" part of "edutainment".

The story you're about to hear is a fib, but it's fact.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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It is very hard to put yourself in position of very young child and issue judgement on what toddlers would like. I couldn't stand Teletubies, I still can't. But young kids are fascinated and my late grandma loved them too. Who am I to judge.

Except Sesame Street is (was) designed to teach children, rather than be just funny.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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I'd rather a million Elmo-centric Sesame Street episodes than even one episode of Barney or Caillou. That said, every kid needs some old-school, Elmo-free Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. (No, "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" is not the same; it's insipid and dumb by comparison.) Also, back in the day, Square One TV had a police-procedural parody called Mathnet that was still loads better than network TV's attempt at a…

The Muppet Show needs to make a comeback. It was like SNL for kids.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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The most shocking thing to me from this article was that Big Bird is actually male. I always saw her as an older sister character. It could have something to do with the fact that "bird" is feminine in my language. That would also explain why the local translation used the gender-neutral diminutive form of "bird"...

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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I'd rather a million Elmo-centric Sesame Street episodes than even one episode of Barney or Caillou. That said, every kid needs some old-school, Elmo-free Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. (No, "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" is not the same; it's insipid and dumb by comparison.) Also, back in the day, Square One TV had a police-procedural parody called Mathnet that was still loads better than network TV's attempt at a…

Speaking of Mathnet they had another segment on there called Mathman. I got so into it when I was younger that I really rooted for Mathman to not lose to Glitch. They did a good job of gamifiying math for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yd3tA4wMPI.

Re: How Elmo Ruined Sesame Street

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I'd rather a million Elmo-centric Sesame Street episodes than even one episode of Barney or Caillou. That said, every kid needs some old-school, Elmo-free Sesame Street and Mister Rogers. (No, "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" is not the same; it's insipid and dumb by comparison.) Also, back in the day, Square One TV had a police-procedural parody called Mathnet that was still loads better than network TV's attempt at a…

Speaking of Mathnet they had another segment on there called Mathman. I got so into it when I was younger that I really rooted for Mathman to not lose to Glitch. They did a good job of gamifiying math for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yd3tA4wMPI .

Mathnet and Mathman pretty much single-handedly made me and my siblings love math as chidlren :)
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