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Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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Yup. Acquired for $101M then subsequently shut down in 1-2 years (just kidding of course). I don't know if it's in my best interest to answer this publicly, but screw it. The honest answer is I'm not entirely too sure, but an acquisition is always on the table for any startup IMO. I think whenever you ask a founder, "If someone offered you $100M, would you take it?", it's a pretty loaded question. There's really thre…

> There's really three outcomes to a startup: They die, they get acquired, they IPO. There's a fourth: they serve the needs of their customers over the course of years and decades. which, as someone in the market for an email client I can fall in love with and use for the rest of my life; is exactly what I want.

Those are really the only three outcomes for a venture-backed startup

Once you raise venture capital, you have to go big or go home, in the span of a decade. You don't have the "grow slow and stay private" option after raising a Series A.

That being said, this is just the current, common state in VC-backed companies. With the weak IPO market and hostile public environment that forces short-term quarterly thinking, we may see alternatives like formalized secondary markets. Perhaps companies like Uber will be able to avoid going public and still provide liquidity options for their early investors & employees.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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For those disppointed with Mailbox's abandonment, I'd love to hear your feedback on Polymail ( https://polymail.io ). We're in private Alpha right now, but we have many similar features to Mailbox like Read Later + some better ones like Email Tracking & Send Later. Feel free to DM me on Twitter ( https://twitter.com/foolywk ) if you'd like to be added to our next Alpha release!

I'm not really sure how we are supposed to give feedback to a closed alpha test, but many people here are discussing the business viability of native email clients, so maybe you can talk about the market and what the business prospects are when entering this market.

There's definitely a large subset of the market which expect not to pay for an email client, but there are many email products available now with many paying customers e.g. yesware, streak, sidekick, etc. There are certainly ways of capturing revenue from the email marketing, but I think that Mailbox was too focused particularly on the entire 'Inbox Zero' aspect of the product and never expanded much beyond that.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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Proprietary tools just aren't worth the turnover for me. It's untenable to depend on developer tools that a company owns. I love free software, but in all honesty the reason I incorporate it is more selfish. My workstation is exclusively free software so I don't have to be abreast of business news to get my job done. I've basically settled on my emacs + notmuch + offlineimap solution not because I think it's better t…

I moved from offlineimap to mbsync (part of the iSync project) a few years ago and it has fixed most of the issues I had with offlineimap (mainly high resource usage).

Several people have suggested similar. I should do it, but the nice part of OSS: I can do it whenever it bothers me enough :)

Do you have a config posted anywhere? I'd love to see exactly how hard it would be to switch.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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I felt this coming given my experience using the Mailbox desktop app since it launched: - Good experience, fairly regular releases, stability increasing with each one. - Stagnation in releases, but app is in a fairly good working state. - Out of the blue, big update comes in, application changes completely. For the worse, as it loses a bunch of features and is sporting a far less polished look and finish. I believe t…

I worked on the desktop client for several months up until the first public beta release. No, Mailbox for Mac has been a fully native app since inception - which is how you get those nice fluid gestures. What happened next I have no idea, since I left the company. If I have to guess, we incurred a lot of technical debts during the sprint to beta, and they were doing some major rewriting to fix them. Before it was fin…

The reason I thought the previous version was a webview was due to the not-really-native-looking settings pane (Cmd+,), which turned into a much more typical looking one post-update.

Thank you so much for the input, and thanks for helping build something I enjoyed using.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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It's interesting that this option wasn't even considered. Why does every startup need to aim to take over the world overnight? Is it not feasible to first take external funding to grow quickly in early stages, and then transition to a more organic growth model once you reach a point of profitability and sustainability (and maybe also slowly buy back shares in the company to eventually become fully autonomous)?

> Why does every startup need to aim to take over the world overnight? Its preferable to work on a project for a few years instead of half/full decades.

It's perfectly feasible to build a smaller, sustainable business then sell to someone who does want to have that lifestyle.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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> "Clearly Dropbox thought there was at least a $100MM opportunity" The opportunity was the team, not the product they were producing. Say you had a room full of math prodigies, but all they were doing was watching TV all day. You hire these math prodigies for $X and put them to work solving math problems - this doesn't mean that watching TV is worth $X, in fact it likely means the opposite, that their value is under…

Yeah but that's ridiculous, they had only 13 employees that's 7.6MM per employee over the span of 2.5 years, some of them I'm sure they left already... You tell me when this starts making sense because it just doesn't right now. Too much money! I don't care how big of a genius you are you're not worth that as a developer of an email client, and honestly to write an Email client is not genius level shit. The UI was do…

I'm sure some of them are still there, however. They shutdown the product and put the team members to work elsewhere. So it could be prorated over a longer period depending on the acquisition deal.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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post #271

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"We don't own your data - Your emails never leave your phone."

Devil(Luddite)'s advocate: "But how do I send emails to my friend's phone then?!"

"Your inbox never leaves your phone", copy isn't my strong suit either.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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Crap. I absolutely adored Mailbox; it did everything I wanted, but especially:

1) The ability to snooze emails

2) A really nice UI on both OS X and Android letting me quickly swipe emails to archive or snooze them.

3) A unified inbox that showed multiple email accounts as a single inbox.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a mail client that meets these requirements? I'm quite happy to pay.

Edit: Google Inbox doesn't have a unified inbox, which drives me nuts, and nothing else I know of has message snoozing. ANY suggestions welcomed.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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Crap. I absolutely adored Mailbox; it did everything I wanted, but especially: 1) The ability to snooze emails 2) A really nice UI on both OS X and Android letting me quickly swipe emails to archive or snooze them. 3) A unified inbox that showed multiple email accounts as a single inbox. Does anyone have any suggestions for a mail client that meets these requirements? I'm quite happy to pay. Edit: Google Inbox doesn'…

Outlook. Seriously. It supports multiple accounts I believe (I only use my work exchange account so not positive), and it has scheduling of messages. The scheduling hasn't synced very well to the desktop version in my experience, but a lot of people have called it the best gmail client on iOS.

Re: Dropbox closing Carousel and Mailbox

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Crap. I absolutely adored Mailbox; it did everything I wanted, but especially: 1) The ability to snooze emails 2) A really nice UI on both OS X and Android letting me quickly swipe emails to archive or snooze them. 3) A unified inbox that showed multiple email accounts as a single inbox. Does anyone have any suggestions for a mail client that meets these requirements? I'm quite happy to pay. Edit: Google Inbox doesn'…

>nothing else I know of has message snoozing. ANY suggestions welcomed.

The new Outlook mobile apps support scheduling for later. I don't think it's as nice as Mailbox was (with multiple choices for when to schedule) but it's the closest thing I know of.

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