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Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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tl;dr Even climate change deniers must face that fossil fuels are polluting our air and water and are eventually going to run out. Investing in clean energy is just pragmatic and doesn't make you a tax-and-spend liberal.

the lie was not neccesary. climate change deniers are worried about the government getting its nose into everything and destroying a country to favour some bankers. if you started with the right arguments like arnold the story would be different.. and its not late.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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The global warming brigade hijacked the pollution issue.

There always will be a debate on global warming. So keeping global warming as the prime focus of fossil fuel usage kept people divided.

If pollution was the prime focus from day one, then more push would have been given to renewable.

Maybe, Arnold is able to bring more people to think in this direction.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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If I believe your number: > First - do you believe it is acceptable that 7 million people die every year from pollution? Answer this, how many of that 7 million year over year die from carbon dioxide? This is the major issue with deniers. Carbon dioxide != pollution. Edit: I don't know anyone not in favor of clean energy. I know plenty who warn of government overreaching using climate change scare tactics. You want t…

You're mixing pollution with green house gases

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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I like that he makes it more about the economics of saving lives, which should be the primary argument.

But that is a tricky problem since we have 4 million a year dying from indoor cooking smoke, and millions more from other various aspects of extreme poverty. Most of which would be a greater ameliorated by cheap coal plants. Cheap coals plants are horrible polluters, but they are cheap, aren't as bad as indoor pollution, and allow countries to pull themselves out of abject poverty, thus saving lives immediately by fertilizing crops, making cheap concrete, powering factories, all the things a richer society needs.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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Regarding the third question, it's a nice analogy there but is he suggesting that electric power is predominantly clean? Across the US, 37.4% of our electric power comes from coal. I don't want to detract from the overall message because it is clear and accurate but I think it's important to think about how electric power is currently generated. Coal statistic pulled from: http://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/20…

The idea is that conventional gasoline engines will pollute, electric engines won't. As for the source of electricity, it's currently not 100% clean but getting cleaner as renewable sources take over.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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post #12

The global warming brigade hijacked the pollution issue. There always will be a debate on global warming. So keeping global warming as the prime focus of fossil fuel usage kept people divided. If pollution was the prime focus from day one, then more push would have been given to renewable. Maybe, Arnold is able to bring more people to think in this direction.

I agree with this. Amazing that we need AS to give people a dose of wisdom. I have to agree with everything he said. I am not convinced about CO2 causing global warming but I am 100% ok with our society pushing away from coal, gasoline and fracking.
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