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I would have flunked out of such a school, instead of being my class valedictorian. Group projects and emphasizing socialization is a crutch that incompetent teachers use to force their intelligent students to do their job for them.
> Group projects and emphasizing socialization is a crutch that incompetent teachers use to force their intelligent students to do their job for them. I find the opposite true in my career. Business is 95% about how you interact with others; whether that is teaching, listening to, meeting with, understanding morale, etc. Let's look at Agile, socialization is at the key, people over processes, scrum meetings every mor…
I gave my students iPads – then wished I could take them back
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Re: I gave my students iPads – then wished I could take them back
#102They should be reading from regular books and get regular chalkboard/whiteboard Lectures and doing hands on activities.
Instead of giving them iPads you could have a small set of time in the week to go onto a desktop computer and learn how to keyboard and do those kid like programming exercises and maybe some fun online learning tools.
Technology is only bad for kids if you don't know how to ration it and talk to them about it and limit it to educational uses.
Just giving them iPads makes no sense. All you're doing is helping Apple lol.....
You cannot even teach them practical academic tech stuff like keyboarding or programming using those kid friendly programming applications like Minecraft.
Or at least lock down the iPads so it only has educational apps.
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So bizarre that you used a specific outlier case of $75-125k, more than twice what the actual average is. And given that your outlier exists, I wonder what that says about teacher salaries on the lower end of the bell curve given the average of $55k.
no idea what you're talking about. your number fits a ba with zero experience on a national average. teachers make a lot more with even limited experience in big population areas (with politicians on the dole) with corresponding higher cost of living (ie. chicago, where i stated).
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would have flunked out of such a school, instead of being my class valedictorian. Group projects and emphasizing socialization is a crutch that incompetent teachers use to force their intelligent students to do their job for them.
> Group projects and emphasizing socialization is a crutch that incompetent teachers use to force their intelligent students to do their job for them. I find the opposite true in my career. Business is 95% about how you interact with others; whether that is teaching, listening to, meeting with, understanding morale, etc. Let's look at Agile, socialization is at the key, people over processes, scrum meetings every mor…
Group projects are a tool to adjust the average performance, without any effort on the teacher's part. The effect is more insidious than a simple numerical average would suggest because group projects introduce a time differential. Consider people as an op-amp. Their internal drive to produce a given quality is the reference voltage. What output the currently have (the progess towards the objective) is the input. When you put top performers in a group to pull up the slackers, the feedback gain of that system is artificially reduced. The good students want a certain level of quality, so they will work even harder to try an bring the quality (input signal) up to their standards. Depending on how bad the slackers are, the good student may even reach saturation, running out of hours in the day to compensate for the incompetence of others.
The incompetent teachers intuitively understand this effect. They are not fostering some kind of social nirvana, they are transferring the workload of pulling up the class average onto the bright kids. The bright kid ends up spending twice, three times as long on the group assignment, and that effort gets averaged out to the other group members' grades. The cost to top performers is all that time they could have been improving, moving forward, was stuck doing large amounts of low skill work.
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#105My school district has lost almost 20% of the teachers and looking at another $13,000,000 in deficit next year. they can afford iPads what a BROKEN Education Funding System we have! Latino students get $0.85 for every dollar spent on White non-Hispanic students. > writes about how we are sacrificing connections, one quick check of our screens at a time The old Computers cause people to disconnect and check out argume…
Part of that is that there are funds that are siloed to be spent only on getting tech into the hands of kids so money spent there by the school system couldn't necessarily be spent elsewhere by the school.
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#106Remember when that guy was offering to buy every classroom free TVs in exchange for the school's commitment to have the kids watch a certain amount of programming a day? The programming included ads. This seems the same. Having the kids load linux onto laptops, yeah... I could understand the value in that. Having them work with Raspberry Pi's, I could see the merit in that. Program robots? Definitely. But this debacl…
When all the media is yakking about is iPads, all the world knows exist are iPads...
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
no idea what you're talking about. your number fits a ba with zero experience on a national average. teachers make a lot more with even limited experience in big population areas (with politicians on the dole) with corresponding higher cost of living (ie. chicago, where i stated).
I'm saying your original example was specifically crafted to make people think teachers are well-paid ("average salaries over $75k... school admins routinely take home $125k") by cherry-picking a specific outlier. When I called you on it, you found real data showing the average is actually $55k, which means many salaries are even lower than that. Now you've backpedaled so far as to say the average teacher salary is r…
chicago isn't an outlier; it's a big city with a higher cost of living.
real costs are hidden behind 'salaries', a term managed by the public unions to understate real comp. 8 months a year / health / sick / retirement age (55 typical) / pension. emotional appeals like your's are what have allowed the public unions to rape the average family (both in the classrooms where they fail, and in the pocketbook where public school teachers are doing their finest work).
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> please tell me why playing with Legos is any more valuable than playing minecraft? First, it's important for children to use their hands to develop their cognitive abilities. There is more in the world than just "pictures behind glass" to interact with and manipulating objects of various shapes, texture and weight is important. Secondly, playing Minecraft is great, but maybe that's not what the kids were rushing to…
Does everything need to be skill building and development oriented? I think a lot of the issues we've got right now with our youth are squarely on the fact that we're engineering their little lives from the delivery room to the end of high school. More importantly I don't believe that in person interaction is so critical. For many introverts like myself, forced F2F interaction in school was torture and did nothing bu…
In short yes. There is a finite amout of time before you die, and that time is measured in years, not millenia . We spend ~12 years in school playing "general education" where basically we are conditioned to set times for work and hierchael authority. That is 15% of your entire expected lifespan, aka not time to spent lightly. Look at how quickly you learn new job skills and keep up with new technologies. Then look back at public school. Why does it take 12 years to move from addition to calculus? Why does it take 11 years to teach kids that chemistry is between atoms and to learn simple reactions are building blocks? Right now the amount of education that public school provides is laughable compared to how much you learn in a year on the job.
What would it be like if you only took 8 years to get through primary and secondary? That is 10% more time added to your productive shelf life. Better yet, those years have been saved on the front end, where your brain is most agile and plastic.
My personal feeling is that there is a lot of time wasted in the current public education model. When I was in school, I never percieved any A/B testing, or relentless optimization of coursework. Instead everything was the same as it had been 10-20 years ago. At least now I get the sense that now people are starting to look for a better local minimum in the process of knowledge transfer.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying your original example was specifically crafted to make people think teachers are well-paid ("average salaries over $75k... school admins routinely take home $125k") by cherry-picking a specific outlier. When I called you on it, you found real data showing the average is actually $55k, which means many salaries are even lower than that. Now you've backpedaled so far as to say the average teacher salary is r…
your posted numbers were garbage; mine weren't: ( http://www.ccsd59.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Administrat... ). chicago isn't an outlier; it's a big city with a higher cost of living. real costs are hidden behind 'salaries', a term managed by the public unions to understate real comp. 8 months a year / health / sick / retirement age (55 typical) / pension. emotional appeals like your's are what have allowed the…
Re: I gave my students iPads – then wished I could take them back
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would have flunked out of such a school, instead of being my class valedictorian. Group projects and emphasizing socialization is a crutch that incompetent teachers use to force their intelligent students to do their job for them.
> Group projects and emphasizing socialization is a crutch that incompetent teachers use to force their intelligent students to do their job for them. I find the opposite true in my career. Business is 95% about how you interact with others; whether that is teaching, listening to, meeting with, understanding morale, etc. Let's look at Agile, socialization is at the key, people over processes, scrum meetings every mor…
With the correct group of people, all of this feel-good communication can be replaced by a handful of people that know what they are doing, keeping an online task board updated and communicating primarily asynchronously by email, or if absolutely necessary, synchronously by IM.
Pair programming is a great way to make two people half as productive as either would have been working alone.