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France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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This is not extreme left, it's center-left. The distinction is important, otherwise we'd reduce everything to communism and fascism.

What's terrible is that we only put politicians on a single axis.

It's in our nature to simplify things. Even using 2 axes like Political Compass is a simplification.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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France doesn't consider anything. If you speak French, just read the original article on lemonde. It's just a wish list from people working in police and gendarmerie. Etabli mardi 1er décembre par la direction des libertés publiques et des affaires juridiques (DLPAJ), il recense toutes les mesures de police administrative que les policiers et les gendarmes souhaiteraient voir passer dans le cadre des deux projets de…

But without the right to protest, it's going to be complex for citizens to express their disapproval of these ideas. A massive part of the population doesn't even understand the extend of such a thing anyway, so yes... I would worry about it getting voted by the parliament.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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The Kurds in Rojava have adopted Murray Bookchin's decentralised and democratic system of “libertarian municipalism” which prevents this kind of opportunistic authoritarianism. Hopefully Turkey's dictator doesn't destroy them and we can see what real democracy looks like. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/50102294-77fd-11e5-a95a-27d368e1dd...

How recent was this ? First time I hear that, I wish the medias weren't bubbling so hard in their bubble.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-PKK...

https://freelab2014.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/towards-statele...

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Socialist regimes have been te most suppressive in peoples history. Think about Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, etc… Socialism kills [0]. Or a more eloquent and less extreme read would be "The Road to Serfdom" by F. A. Hayek --- [0]: http://jim.com/killingfields.html

>Hitler >Socialist Just because the Nazis called themselves National Socialists doesn't make them socialists. Communists and socialists were the first the Nazis sent to concentration camps.

Getting rid of your competition is a pretty standard tactic when you are taking over. The National Socialists were socialists.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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The U.K. is already far beyond illiberal, but I can’t see Germany going this way. They’ve long been on the right side of the Internet, and I doubt they’ll have any need to do otherwise anytime soon.

Lets see how this tune will change if Paris repeats itself there.

But nah, it's not that there's a large foreign population inside their country without future prospects. Oh wait, that's already happening, thanks to Angela.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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>Hitler >Socialist Just because the Nazis called themselves National Socialists doesn't make them socialists. Communists and socialists were the first the Nazis sent to concentration camps.

Getting rid of your competition is a pretty standard tactic when you are taking over. The National Socialists were socialists.

>The National Socialists were socialists

Proof?

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Socialist regimes have been te most suppressive in peoples history. Think about Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, etc… Socialism kills [0]. Or a more eloquent and less extreme read would be "The Road to Serfdom" by F. A. Hayek --- [0]: http://jim.com/killingfields.html

>Hitler >Socialist Just because the Nazis called themselves National Socialists doesn't make them socialists. Communists and socialists were the first the Nazis sent to concentration camps.

The socialist component in the Nazi ideology was almost entirely economical and not social. Nazis on social issues were as nationalistic and minorities-hating as any far-right group if not worse.

It's just that some RW people love to distort the reality to score cheap political points.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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I think that's a pretty sharp observation. The powerlessness of the state to prevent these attacks translates into a perceived weakness, effectively showing that those that are nominally in control of keeping 'us' safe have oversold their ability to do that.

Well, many individual people, not just "states", fear terrorists more than car accidents and while it's statistically irrational given the number of fatalities due to each cause at a normal year, there is something rational about it. Someone killing a hundred people who would gladly kill a hundred million if they could, and who's presumably constantly looking for a way to do it, is more frightening than a car acciden…

>but there can be and there more than once was a huge sudden increase in the amount of people killed by enemy combatants.

Replace 'enemy combatants' with 'comets'.

Do you still find your argument persuasive?

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