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France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by GrumpyBen »

metanoetic wrote: post #127
GrumpyBen wrote: post #115

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They're not ecologists, they're anti-globalization anarchists that protested against a new airport by destroying shops in downtown Nantes. They recently threw at the police candles that people left at the memorial for the Paris attacks. I consider myself an ecologist but I have no sympathy for these people.

And yet, they're still not ISIS terrorists. The state of emergency was used to stop public discourse and dissent - both anarchists and non-anarchists were banned from attending marches during the Paris climate summit.

The police had to protect the COP21 and the visit from more than 150 head of states. They also have to protect administrations, newspaper offices, jewish organizations and others potential terrorist targets. There's just not enough police forces to handle all this, plus marches and anarchist protests

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by icebraining »

ikeboy wrote: post #62
rwmj wrote: post #34

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Sure - but to really crack down on road deaths, how about declaring a state of emergency that prevents anyone from driving at all? If you understand why that would be stupid, you'll understand why trying to introduce the GFW of China to France is a bad idea.

I think that would be a great idea as soon as autonomous cars are available for purchase.

I'd bet even autonomous cars will kill more per year than terrorist attacks.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by gherkin0 »

Kristine1975 wrote: post #134
wsc981 wrote: post #124

Socialist regimes have been te most suppressive in peoples history. Think about Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, etc… Socialism kills [0]. Or a more eloquent and less extreme read would be "The Road to Serfdom" by F. A. Hayek --- [0]: http://jim.com/killingfields.html

>Hitler >Socialist Just because the Nazis called themselves National Socialists doesn't make them socialists. Communists and socialists were the first the Nazis sent to concentration camps.

I think that argument is pretty weak. Many of the millions that the Soviets sent to the gulags were socialists and communists, but that action doesn't make the Soviets or those they imprisoned and murdered not-communist or not-socialist.

Communists and socialists have a long histories of bloody internecine conflicts.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by pakled_engineer »

agumonkey wrote: post #95
leaveyou wrote: post #86

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"they act accordingly" by doing exactly what suits the power structure and their campaign sponsors best and the public never really wants.. what a convenient response.

Typically the kind of things that makes me thing democracy as it is is broken. It's a self-sustaining low-hanging-fruit race. I wish I knew how to tweak it back into sense.

The Kurds in Rojava have adopted Murray Bookchin's decentralised and democratic system of “libertarian municipalism” which prevents this kind of opportunistic authoritarianism. Hopefully Turkey's dictator doesn't destroy them and we can see what real democracy looks like.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/50102294-77fd-11e5-a95a-27d368e1dd...

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by cookiecaper »

girvo wrote: post #98
Rexxar wrote: post #87

France doesn't consider anything. If you speak French, just read the original article on lemonde. It's just a wish list from people working in police and gendarmerie. Etabli mardi 1er décembre par la direction des libertés publiques et des affaires juridiques (DLPAJ), il recense toutes les mesures de police administrative que les policiers et les gendarmes souhaiteraient voir passer dans le cadre des deux projets de…

Does the French public complain that "nothing gets passed" like the Australian public does? I am a massive fan of that system. It has stopped dangerous legislation from being passed. Not all of it, and not enough, but some, and that's better than none.

A lot of people don't understand this about the American system. It's not supposed to be easy to push through new law. It's supposed to be so difficult that only law that reflects wide consensus can get through, under the theory that this will prevent bad or dangerous laws from going on the books. If there's a problem in the system now, it's that people have stopped trying to reach that consensus, not that the process is slow when it's being actively pursued.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by [deleted] »

ekianjo wrote: post #117
pmoriarty wrote: post #108

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"Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear." -- Bertrand Russell But if you think this is something, wait until Le Pen comes to power. It's not just France either. Authoritarianism is rife in much of the rest of Europe, and the rest of the world, for that matter. France is a particularly interesting case, however. As on the one hand th…

Dont make me laugh. The revolutionaries were talking about fraternity while chopping heads by the 100 000s. Study your History my friend. France has always had an authoritarian face.

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Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by agumonkey »

pakled_engineer wrote: post #144
agumonkey wrote: post #95

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Typically the kind of things that makes me thing democracy as it is is broken. It's a self-sustaining low-hanging-fruit race. I wish I knew how to tweak it back into sense.

The Kurds in Rojava have adopted Murray Bookchin's decentralised and democratic system of “libertarian municipalism” which prevents this kind of opportunistic authoritarianism. Hopefully Turkey's dictator doesn't destroy them and we can see what real democracy looks like. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/50102294-77fd-11e5-a95a-27d368e1dd...

How recent was this ? First time I hear that, I wish the medias weren't bubbling so hard in their bubble.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by nickbauman »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #119
nickbauman wrote: post #111

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A mere file? In the US, when a suspected terrorist is held by US state security and they are not a US citizen, every non-citizen in their social graph (family, friends, even known acquaintances) who aren't already being held are deported immediately.

I've never heard of this. Does this policy have a name I could read up on?

I learned about it reading a long article about the Boston Marathon Bombing in the New Yorker a couple of months after the incident occurred. It shocked me, but when the reporter asked the INS/ICE offices about it they said it was "standard procedure".

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by alex_duf »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #106
gotchange wrote: post #37

The French regime again showing its ugly authoritarian and statist face with these draconian bills. It wasn't enough for them to put environmentalists under house arrest and subject innocent people to humiliating mandatory reporting to different police stations 3 times a day or obligatory curfew for certain people or neighborhoods without any judicial oversight. [0] I knew it from the beginning that they would abuse…

And this is the left in power. It's going to get worse when the right and the extreme right get their turn.

I think it has nothing to do with political side anymore. Just irrational reaction to fear from the public, and over-exploitation of that fear to gain more power from the government.

It's not pretty to watch.

[edit] Fear is irrational by definition, I'm not judging on that, and understand why people are afraid.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Post by XorNot »

metanoetic wrote: post #127
GrumpyBen wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not ecologists, they're anti-globalization anarchists that protested against a new airport by destroying shops in downtown Nantes. They recently threw at the police candles that people left at the memorial for the Paris attacks. I consider myself an ecologist but I have no sympathy for these people.

And yet, they're still not ISIS terrorists. The state of emergency was used to stop public discourse and dissent - both anarchists and non-anarchists were banned from attending marches during the Paris climate summit.

Terrorists are terrorists regardless of affiliation. ISIS doesn't have organized operations in the west it just takes credit for lone acts.

By and large its not clear ISIS actually wants people to commit terror attacks in the west since it gets potentially useful recruits killed not fighting for territory in the middle East (note they are big on how you should definitely move to the ISIS territories).

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