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France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Once again the French show the world what they are best in. Waiving the white flag and submitting when threatened. They even suspended parts of the human rights convention on their territory after the terror attacks in Paris.

I stopped "supporting France" after the Charlie Hebdo attack the moment I saw they were abusing that public support to push for more censorship and surveillance.

Now they're looking at extending the emergency powers with very little oversight (by definition) indefinitely, all because the people showed "support" when the attacks happened.

So I'm done playing their sick game. I hope more people (from France especially) will start thinking the same way before it's too late.

EDIT: Relevant ruling from the European Court of Human Rights vs Russia's mass surveillance program:

> The Court noted that interception of communications pursued the legitimate aims of the protection of national security and public safety, the prevention of crime and the protection of the economic well-being of the country. However, in view of the risk that a system of secret surveillance set up to protect national security might undermine or even destroy democracy under the cloak of defending it.

http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng-press

France, just like the U.S. after 9/11, claimed high and mighty that they must "protect their liberties". You can't protect your liberties by killing them. You would think this should be common sense, but apparently it isn't in today's political climate in our "democracies".

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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post #5

All this because 130 people were killed. What would they do to prevent the 4600 people killed in road accidents in France last year? Or the 49000 people killed by alcohol [in 2009]?

Humans are not logical animals when it comes to the judgement of risk of harm. Sadly, the only way to counter this (public awareness campaigns, education) are not happening, in fact the reverse is happening: media hysteria about terrorist attacks, actual and 'potential', governments releasing information on, e.g., 'what to do in a hostage situation', which only exacerbate the effect of the terror campaign.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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I have 0 faith in governments both for understanding and acting properly in the information age. They have time and again acted bad, and seem to not even understand the medium with they try to regulate.

In the information age, power does not lie with the one who has the guns. I hope everyone reading this takes some time to research how to encrypt your communication & how to use bitcoin.

I also hope we will see more user-friendly ways to communicate securely (BitMessage is an awesome solution for this)

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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post #3

Once again the French show the world what they are best in. Waiving the white flag and submitting when threatened. They even suspended parts of the human rights convention on their territory after the terror attacks in Paris.

Please calm down with the generalizations.

1. This is a leaked document, not an official one.

2. This would need to be adopted by the National Assembly, Senate, and Ethic Commission to be effective.

3. France didn't roll back on it's promise to accept Syrian refugees like others have done.

Yes it is worrying, but everything is not black and white.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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post #13

I think we should really investigate the writers of these two new pieces of legislation. These people are a bigger threat for all our values than all the terrorists of the world. The only good answer to terrorism is to not surrender freedom.

The cynical view is that these people are simply using the attacks as a way to push through legislation that they wanted to push through regardless. Politicians like these are just opportunists and would use any hot button issue to get their way because they know that's the easiest way to railroad through their pet laws. It's easy to get people to vote against their own interest, all you need is fear.

There are many such tricks, another is to bring the important stuff up for vote in the last little bit before a session closes and to waste as much of the session prior to that by debating some inane point of some un-important issue at great length leaving insufficient time to debate the important stuff.

It's all tricks and psychology, reason has little to do with it.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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post #13

I think we should really investigate the writers of these two new pieces of legislation. These people are a bigger threat for all our values than all the terrorists of the world. The only good answer to terrorism is to not surrender freedom.

You don't say that terrorism is just a tool of totalitarian regimes cloaked as democratic states? That would be outrageous. ;]

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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post #5

All this because 130 people were killed. What would they do to prevent the 4600 people killed in road accidents in France last year? Or the 49000 people killed by alcohol [in 2009]?

From a political standpoint, terrorist attacks are first and foremost attacks against THE STATE not the citizenry and that's why you see the Establishment is up in arms every time such a tragedy occurs because they know that the terrorists are challenging their authority and jeopardizing their power in the land. The Establishment really don't care about road fatalities or substance abuse related deaths of the populac…

I think that's a pretty sharp observation. The powerlessness of the state to prevent these attacks translates into a perceived weakness, effectively showing that those that are nominally in control of keeping 'us' safe have oversold their ability to do that.
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