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I like the fact that Spain first robbed their colonies Peru and Bolivia of their gold and silver, and then was able to rob the company who found and rescued the treasure.
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We probably would know more about the Aztecs and Maya cultures
None of those peoples come from modern day Colombia. Aztecs - Mexico Maya - Guatemala and neighbouring countries.
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None of those peoples come from modern day Colombia. Aztecs - Mexico Maya - Guatemala and neighbouring countries.
My point is that we have to thank the old Spanish and Portuguese empires for their role in extinguishing South American cultures.
Here's some reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend
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It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.
Legally? Going by whose laws? The legitimate owners of all that wealth are the indigenous inhabitants of the territory it was extracted from by invaders. According to indigenous law, it is definitively NOT legally owned by Spain.
Are you referring to some particular legal entity here, or just an overall concept?
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I wonder what would be of current Colombia without the Spanish people that conquered it.
Me too. It would be cleaner, unpolluted, less bloody, and the native cultures would probably be blossoming and making interesting stuff by combining their knowledge with outside influences. Too bad most of them were exterminated and dispossessed (the galleon being just one instance of that dispossession), and too bad they continue to be institutionally and structurally marginalised, decimated, and dispossessed.
The spaniards have been better prepared for war and overcame the local population in bloody conquest — this is a historical fact that no one will argue with.
How, from this fact, do people come to an assumption that local population had higher moral values than invading spaniards?
Have you completely no idea what pre-columbian era indian cultures were like? I mean, not today's "New Age" versions that have been adopted for Californian yappies, but actual kingdoms, chiefdoms and empires that resided there several hundred years ago.
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Empire which was revoked due to being an illegitimate and genocidal regime. Your argument suggests they should be allowed to re-steal now what they would have stolen back then.
Some American talking about genocide... That's really a joke!
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302
Well, it looks like there was, in fact, a vast genocide. In the north and also the south americas. Really sad...
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It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.
Legally? Going by whose laws? The legitimate owners of all that wealth are the indigenous inhabitants of the territory it was extracted from by invaders. According to indigenous law, it is definitively NOT legally owned by Spain.
In other cases, Spain has won the rights over salvaged treasure from sunken Spanish ships, as the countries they plundered the gold from weren't countries at the time, but colonies of Spain (for example: Peru).
Sincerely, if this is in International waters, you would think there was a expiry date of shipwrecks and it's finders-keepers after, Oh, I dunno, a few hundred years or so.
This is going to be a long fight because traditionally those ships and its content belong to the owner. There are some international rules that some countries have agreed on (UNESCO): http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=13520&URL_DO=DO_TO.... Colombia hasn't signed that, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't obbey.
I don't know about this topic, so I won't add much more. However I wouldn't be so ingenous to think that the full treasure belongs to Colombia or to Spain. I suppose they will end up in international legal figths and they will end up agreeing on sharing the treasure. In any case, they CAN'T sell it (I believe) so it'd be as worthy as the tickets of the museum. It's more of a patriotic fight than a practical fight.
Disclaimer: I am a Spaniard This is going to be a long fight because traditionally those ships and its content belong to the owner. There are some international rules that some countries have agreed on (UNESCO): http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=13520&URL_DO=DO_TO... . Colombia hasn't signed that, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't obbey. I don't know about this topic, so I won't add much more. However I woul…