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Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever found on seabed

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Re: Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever found on seabed

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Post by joeyspn »

RobertoG wrote: post #9
jorgon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.

I doubt that, legally, a shipwreck of colonial times in Colombian waters is owned by Spain. And I would like to think that most of the Spaniards agree with that.

Well, technically Colombia was then part of the Spanish Empire, and that galleon belongs to the Spanish Crown. I personally don't mind but knowing how low gold is in the spanish central bank, probably the spanish gov will make some kind of move to get back its "historical heritage"...

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Post by joeyspn »

pjmlp wrote: post #8
mahouse wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what would be of current Colombia without the Spanish people that conquered it.

We probably would know more about the Aztecs and Maya cultures

The same could be applied to Apaches, Comanches, Navajos, etc ...

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Post by akavel »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

Huh. How can gold, silver and emeralds taken from South America, be “national cultural patrimony” of Spain? Aren't they a treasure of the South American natives they were taken from?

The text of the article currently seems to talk about Colombia's “national cultural patrimony” -- I couldn't find much about Spain; was it edited? was the earlier text quoting Spain?

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Post by user_0001 »

pjmlp wrote: post #8
mahouse wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what would be of current Colombia without the Spanish people that conquered it.

We probably would know more about the Aztecs and Maya cultures

None of those peoples come from modern day Colombia.

Aztecs - Mexico Maya - Guatemala and neighbouring countries.

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Post by personlurking »

mahouse wrote: post #7
Htsthbjig wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is not Spain. It is from Colombia. Are you from North America? Canada or US? Because following the same rules you state the land in which you live is not yours, but from the native Indians you exterminated before. Or in a more recent example, ISIS would be the rightfully owners of the modern day gold, oil, that is under their territory the US wants to steal from them.

I wonder what would be of current Colombia without the Spanish people that conquered it.

My guess is it would be similar to what it is today, specifically in that the diverse landscape, including the three Andean mountain ranges that run through it, helped isolate regional Colombian cultures (and in isolation they grew stronger). Meaning we'd have a regional, culturally-diverse landscape, with Muisca, Carib, Wayuu and other peoples spread out through the land.

As for it being mostly monolingual under the imagined circumstance, I can't say, but it's possible Gran Colombia (current-day Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Panama, etc.) would have naturally formed and, under it, a monolingual pidgin.

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Post by ZenoArrow »

jorgon wrote: post #5
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

Huh. How can gold, silver and emeralds taken from South America, be “national cultural patrimony” of Spain? Aren't they a treasure of the South American natives they were taken from?

It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.

I'm British and I don't believe the Rosetta Stone belongs to Britain. However, that's probably a minority view, many people here in Britain are still brainwashed about the glory of empire and all the good it did for the world.

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Post by MikeNomad »

Htsthbjig wrote: post #4
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

Huh. How can gold, silver and emeralds taken from South America, be “national cultural patrimony” of Spain? Aren't they a treasure of the South American natives they were taken from?

Is not Spain. It is from Colombia. Are you from North America? Canada or US? Because following the same rules you state the land in which you live is not yours, but from the native Indians you exterminated before. Or in a more recent example, ISIS would be the rightfully owners of the modern day gold, oil, that is under their territory the US wants to steal from them.

Genocide is the word you are looking for, not exterminate. Besides, why stop with ownership by modern, Native American indians? Genetic ties have been established through Anzick boy to people near Siberia.

Re: Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever found on seabed

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Post by rockyleal »

joeyspn wrote: post #11
RobertoG wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that, legally, a shipwreck of colonial times in Colombian waters is owned by Spain. And I would like to think that most of the Spaniards agree with that.

Well, technically Colombia was then part of the Spanish Empire, and that galleon belongs to the Spanish Crown. I personally don't mind but knowing how low gold is in the spanish central bank, probably the spanish gov will make some kind of move to get back its "historical heritage"...

Empire which was revoked due to being an illegitimate and genocidal regime. Your argument suggests they should be allowed to re-steal now what they would have stolen back then.
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