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Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

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Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

#31
This article doesn't actually seem to provide any evidence to support its claim - the actual factoid at the heart of the article is that Total Factor Productivity (TFP) has fallen since the 90's, which is irrelevant.

The only pieces of evidence supporting the "No Jobs Growth" claim are Facebook's employee count from _2013_ (which has since grown by almost 50% to 12000 [0]), and the claim that "in 2010, only 0.5% of the US labour force is employed in industries that did not exist in 2000", which has nothing to do with "Silicon Valley" since the industry existed in 2000, too.

Remarkably low-quality reporting.

[0] - http://newsroom.fb.com/company-info/

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

#32

Here's a though experiment I came up with several years ago: Say one day you created a copy of the Earth and with that copy, it had the same population as the current Earth, and they were connected so you can travel between them easily. I can see that these two worlds would need twice as many barbers as the current world. Would these two new worlds need twice as many Google/Facebook/etc. employees?

The flow rate between planets will dictate the number of barbers you need on each. So saying you see 2x barber jobs is not accurate.

IF on-par everything that each GOOG and FB need, then OK - sure... but assume GOOG and FB are mutually exclusive to each planet?

If all services equal? THEN yes

Are all resources and land masses in the same spot? Then you would need to regulate how any new natural discoveries are made -- and exploited... you dont want carlyle group plundering BOTH Earth-A AND Earth-B...

Actually one should be depopulated and maintained as a plentary-level-nature reserve.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

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post #24

Silicon valley doesn't produce much hardware like it did in the past. Instead it creates businesses with questionable customer value such as social networking, personal assistant services, short term house rental services, and other software-as-a-service businesses. There will be an implosion of these SAAS businesses at some point. After the dust clears, it will be interesting to see if Silicon Valley still is able t…

There are so many faulty premises here

* silicon valley doesn't produce much hardware (evidence for this being true? obviously we hear a ton about software, but what about tesla, intel, nest, apple, google, etc?)

* businesses such as social networking, personal assistance services, short-term house rental services, and other saas have questionable customer value (why?)

* there will be an implosion of these saas businesses (why?)

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

#34
If you had a chunk of savings and you invested in a business - would you optimize on needing to hire more people as the business grows? Or prefer that the growth of your business doesn't scale linearly with employee head count?

Every time I hear people make these complaints, I wonder, "Would you prefer to get your cash from an ATM, or wait in line for a teller?"

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

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post #24

Silicon valley doesn't produce much hardware like it did in the past. Instead it creates businesses with questionable customer value such as social networking, personal assistant services, short term house rental services, and other software-as-a-service businesses. There will be an implosion of these SAAS businesses at some point. After the dust clears, it will be interesting to see if Silicon Valley still is able t…

I do partly agree with you, but there are still some fundamental things going on in Silicon Valley. On-line education, I think, has the potential to be very transformative. Self-driving electric cars could also have a very positive effect on the world as well (including solving the "last mile" problem with train travel). There's also a lot going on of course with bioengineering, and while I wouldn't necessarily equate this with silicon valley, Stanford, Berkeley, and UCSF are of course highly relevant research institutions. And let's not discount the advances in distributed computing in making all of the above possible, some of which did come from silicon valley companies.

Of course, just because these things may greatly improve the quality of life doesn't mean that they'll create jobs. They may destroy them, and while so far people have found new industries and jobs to replace the ones that become obsolete, I suppose there's no guarantee this will continue to be the case in the future.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

#36

Here's a though experiment I came up with several years ago: Say one day you created a copy of the Earth and with that copy, it had the same population as the current Earth, and they were connected so you can travel between them easily. I can see that these two worlds would need twice as many barbers as the current world. Would these two new worlds need twice as many Google/Facebook/etc. employees?

The same basic logic explains the folly of reducing unemployment by demand stimulus and the "consumers are the real job creators" mentality. If producing twice as many widgets requires (at least) twice as many workers, you're doing something wrong.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

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post #26
post #24

Silicon valley doesn't produce much hardware like it did in the past. Instead it creates businesses with questionable customer value such as social networking, personal assistant services, short term house rental services, and other software-as-a-service businesses. There will be an implosion of these SAAS businesses at some point. After the dust clears, it will be interesting to see if Silicon Valley still is able t…

> There will be an implosion of these SAAS businesses at some point. Why?

Nothing is ever done for free by businesses (Even though it appears like it is free, you do pay for it indirectly) At some point the profit motive will drive businesses to take things too far and threshold will be crossed. This will either result in customer defections, or increased government regulation. A shakeout will ensue, and only businesses strong enough be profitable will remain.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

#39
post #4

The lack of jobs growth doesn't seem that surprising, but the lack of productivity growth does. Is it just that new technologies aren't really all that relevant to increasing productivity? Are we just not adopting technologies that would make us more productive? I'd love to have a glimmer as to what the root cause of that is.

It may be that the core problem of production is one that was already solved by hardware at the end of the industrial revolution. Software can now be used to solve the 2nd part of the problem, which is distribution.

>In technology's "invisible" world, inventors continually increase the quantity and quality of performed work per each volume or pound of material, erg of energy, and unit of worker and "overhead" time invested in each given increment of attained functional performance. This complex process we call progressive ephemeralization. In 1970, the sum total of increases in overall technological know-how and their comprehensive integration took humanity across the epochal but invisible threshold into a state of technically realizable and economically feasible universal success for all humanity

-Buckminster Fuller, Grunch of Giants

Our means of production have already served to produce a renewable surplus of all the physiological needs of humanity (food, water, shelter etc). The problem is in distributing it fairly which is why almost 50% of the world population struggles to obtain these necessities.

>The white man knows how to make everything, but he does not know how to distribute it.

-Sitting Bull

Re: Silicon Valley Is Not Driving Jobs Growth

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People often forget that jobs are an expense, not a benefit. We should celebrate that society can do more with less. If someone thinks that jobs need to be created through artificial means to keep people busy and give them some money, then that person has a rather dim view of human potential.

The curse of machinery! http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap07p1.html

What happens when we start replacing men with electronic minds?

There is a particular class of problems of a 'machine economy' where machines produce products for machines, the machines can use the economic product more efficiently (at making the capital owners more profit), and humans are cut out of the loop.

The last chapter of the essay points out the issue, not that machines take jobs, that machines can and will evolve faster than their human counterparts can causes issues with employment certainty, something that is very dangerous for economies.

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