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The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

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Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

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Microgravity is like alcohol; it effects so many systems in your body that it's really difficult to pin down exactly what is causing problems where.

I imagine this question won't be seriously answered until we have an artificial gravity system.

Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take any complex system out of the environment it evolved to survive in, it won't work as well. Doesn't matter which knob you tweak, it won't be the environment it evolved in. There will just be a different set of failures.

Is this necessarily true? I can see how it would often be true, in general, but don't see how it's necessary. For example, animals in captivity can often live longer. Lifespan and quality of life are decent enough proxies for "working well".

I don't think it's absolutely true, the general case you referred to is as strong as I intended the assertion to be.

Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps we could conclude that cosmic rays cause increased rate of aging. Actually, it seems pretty obvious really, that a body healing itself from radiation damage would "age" more quickly. Doesn't every cell division increase the cost of further cell divisions through mutations? And isn't there actually a mechanism to ultimately shut down cell division i.e. Telomere breakdown?

The linked article does a good job of refuting this hypothesis. There are radiation workers on Earth who receive regular, higher doses than what astronauts receive, and are not subject to these effects. It really is the weightlessness doing it, not the slightly higher ambient radiation.

While the quantity might be just a higher, cosmic ray can arrive with more energy than particle accelerator can produce. I can imagine our bodies might not be able to handle healing from those types of events.

Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked article does a good job of refuting this hypothesis. There are radiation workers on Earth who receive regular, higher doses than what astronauts receive, and are not subject to these effects. It really is the weightlessness doing it, not the slightly higher ambient radiation.

While the quantity might be just a higher, cosmic ray can arrive with more energy than particle accelerator can produce. I can imagine our bodies might not be able to handle healing from those types of events.

At those energy levels, those particles are ripping through DNA like a bullet.

Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

#56

On the reverse side, I've always wondered if being in a weightless environment makes your muscles feel great[0], since they aren't working against gravity. Over the years, gravity can create lots of problems for posture, which is why swimming (which lessen the effects of gravity) feels great. [0] I'm using "Feel" in a relative context, since muscle weakness/wasting will not feel good once you're back in a non-weightl…

My experience with swimming is that the drag from the resistant medium outweighs the perceived "lift" from buoyancy.

I expect the disorientation, nausea, etc., would outweigh any short term muscle-feel effects. For how weightlessness feels: http://science.howstuffworks.com/weightlessness2.htm

Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

#57

Maybe it's attributed to the rigorousness of the selection process but I have noticed the longevity of so many astronauts. John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins and Edgar Mitchell all lived beyond the average life expectancy of American males born when they were born. Our bodies have incredibly complex feedback loops and we evolved here, with a constant 1G of gravity. It's not surprising to me that…

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Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

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I'll repost the comment I made over there:

Have you guys heard about the entire field of study that is aerospace medicine? I’m taking a course on it this semester (I’m a masters student in aerospace engineering)–let me summarize some of the problems that your body goes through during space travel.

Humans spend about 70% of their time either standing or sitting. That means the human body is optimized for a hydrostatic pressure gradient like the one illustrated here (http://wiki.sdstate.edu/@api/deki/files/999/=1-BP_Change.png). Blood pressure is much higher at your feet than at your head. In space, however, there is no gravity to produce this gradient, so the cardiovascular system equalizes its pressure. That’s why astronauts suffer from “puffy face” (higher-than-usual fluid pressures in head) and “chicken legs” (lower-than-usual fluid pressures in legs). In their first couple days in space, astronauts lose about 1L of leg volume from each leg.

The CV system relies on internal pressure sensors to figure out how to operate, and the new pressure distribution confuses it. Astronauts lose a lot of blood plasma–it sort of ends up absorbed into the surrounding tissues. This increases the relative concentration of red blood cells, which triggers the body to slow down production of new ones. Also, the heart atrophies because it doesn’t need to pump as hard to move liquid around the body.

When you come back from space, your body needs to rapidly readapt from microgravity to one gee. It is not very good at doing that. That’s why 63% of astronauts are unable to stand for ten minutes straight just after their return from short-duration space missions (see video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDST7EePXQ).

There are other problems: the cells that are constantly building and destroying your bones fall out of alignment when you’re in microgravity, causing astronauts’ bones to change structure in a way that looks a lot like accelerated aging. Why? Not clear, but possibly related to the lack of repeated loading, as happens when you stand/walk in normal gravity. Astronauts end up with huge concentrations of calcium in their blood, which causes kidney stones. Astronauts in space average around 4 hours of sleep per night, and very few of them eat enough calories to maintain their body weight, so they lose muscle mass.

Aerospace medicine is about half medical studies of astronauts and half studies of people on earth. It turns out that you can make most of these body changes happen by having people lie on their backs with the bed tilted down six degrees (head downward). Fascinating field. If you want to know more, I recommend the textbook “Space Physiology” by Jay Buckey (amazon link here: http://smile.amazon.com/Space-Physiology-Jay-C-Buckey/dp/019...).

Re: The Mysterious Aging of Astronauts

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post #32

Maybe there's a diet-related problem? Astronaut food has some pretty intense constraints that Earth food doesn't, and has almost certainly been optimized according to the false discoveries of the field of nutrition. They should have a few people with different contrarian positions look over the food logs, and see if there's anything really wrong there.

> false discoveries of the field of nutrition I would love to hear about some of these.

My guess is that he meant things like "fat makes you fat and causes heart disease", or "fruit juice is good for you", or "margarine is better for you than butter" or "meat causes cancer" etc.
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