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Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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Well in my case I've read a couple books about KIPP looking for evidence that I was wrong, but I didn't find any. The problem is that while KIPP is probably the fastest way to improve kids performance on Things That Can Be Measured, there's a lot of research showing how this approach is really bad for kids. And the pro-KIPP literature doesn't take any of this into account. My problem with Gates specifically is that n…

So are the really bad things you mention things like obliterating intellectual curiosity, fostering dependence on authority, crushing children's self-esteem and so on? Because it seems like there are some people for whom those results define cruelty and failure and others for whom those kinds of critiques ring hollow and self-serving. This looks like a debate of preconceptions, the most intractable of arguments.

"This looks like a debate of preconceptions, the most intractable of arguments."

The issue is that this debate isn't even taking place, and people don't know about the research on what happens to kids' intrinsic motivation and such under these programs. Now if the parents knew this and thought it was an acceptable tradeoff then that would legitimately be an intractable debate, but for Obama and Gates to force this onto inner city minorities without informed consent seems extremely wrong.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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Just out of curiosity but how do you know this? EDIT: I am not being sarcastic or anything.

Basically my friend tried telling him about how John Taylor Gatto's new book suggested that there were some unstated assumptions behind KIPP that were worth examining, but Gates wasn't at all interested in even talking about this, let alone reading the book.

Wow, and from just that you were able to determine that he only reads books that reinforces his existing beliefs? Holy assumptions, Batman!

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in my case I've read a couple books about KIPP looking for evidence that I was wrong, but I didn't find any. The problem is that while KIPP is probably the fastest way to improve kids performance on Things That Can Be Measured, there's a lot of research showing how this approach is really bad for kids. And the pro-KIPP literature doesn't take any of this into account. My problem with Gates specifically is that n…

"The problem is that while KIPP is probably the fastest way to improve kids performance on Things That Can Be Measured, there's a lot of research showing how this approach is really bad for kids." I don't understand this point here. If you cannot measure something, how can you determine what is an improvement and what is not?

I think what he means is: you can't measure a specific metric but you can see from the end result that some other technique ended up with a better overall result.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically my friend tried telling him about how John Taylor Gatto's new book suggested that there were some unstated assumptions behind KIPP that were worth examining, but Gates wasn't at all interested in even talking about this, let alone reading the book.

Wow, and from just that you were able to determine that he only reads books that reinforces his existing beliefs? Holy assumptions, Batman!

That, and the fact that his articles and speeches on education reflect a shallow thought process that lacks a real nuanced understanding of the problems and tradeoffs.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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post #72

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Wow, and from just that you were able to determine that he only reads books that reinforces his existing beliefs? Holy assumptions, Batman!

That, and the fact that his articles and speeches on education reflect a shallow thought process that lacks a real nuanced understanding of the problems and tradeoffs.

Yeah, I'm sure he could learn a thing or two from you.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically my friend tried telling him about how John Taylor Gatto's new book suggested that there were some unstated assumptions behind KIPP that were worth examining, but Gates wasn't at all interested in even talking about this, let alone reading the book.

Wow, and from just that you were able to determine that he only reads books that reinforces his existing beliefs? Holy assumptions, Batman!

Stating that someone who doesn't even want to discuss something they disagree with is closed minded seems more a matter of reason than assumption.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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Why am I not surprised that it is using both WebForms and Silverlight... I see that big chunk of viewstate there Bill.

Well he does have a very large interest in the success of technologies still being a large shareholder. I prefer websites to use silverlight over flash, I think you like silverlight a lot more after using it, even if it is exactly very web friendly.

Silverlight does have some technical advantages over Flash on Windows (eg, event timing in Flash is still tied to frames on the back end), however it's just another old-style proprietary plug in we don't need these days. made even worse by the ghetto OS X and Linux versions.

Flash is the lowest common denominator right now, it's replacement should be HTML video or canvas.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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post #75

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That, and the fact that his articles and speeches on education reflect a shallow thought process that lacks a real nuanced understanding of the problems and tradeoffs.

Yeah, I'm sure he could learn a thing or two from you.

Guys, can I suggest that your points can be made more forcefully by stating a position, and not simply attacking each other?

And before replying to this, read this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1006657

I've been guilty, and occasionally still am guilty, of exactly what PG is observing. You can disagree without attacking each other, and you can make your points without snide asides.

Please.

Re: Bill Gates's new website: The Gates Notes

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post #77
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, and from just that you were able to determine that he only reads books that reinforces his existing beliefs? Holy assumptions, Batman!

Stating that someone who doesn't even want to discuss something they disagree with is closed minded seems more a matter of reason than assumption.

It could also be the case that he disagreed with it and simply did not feel like talking about it at the time he was trying to enjoy his lunch.

This second-hand anecdote is light on details so I think we cannot draw too deep of conclusions about Gates' character from it.

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