Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
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Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#2Mad at the Haoles again are we Hawaii?
Hawaii's indigenous culture has a interesting mix where racism against non-native races and prejudice against modern practices (like science) is the norm.
Would be good material for a traditionalist/modernist study.
The culture is uniquely xenophobic among American states, it's rather interesting really.
Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#3Short-sighted tribalism.
Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#4>>The mountain, however, is also a state-designated conservation district. Opponents of the project have contended that the planned telescope, which at 18 stories high would be the biggest building on the Big Island, represents industrial development and would violate the rules for such zones.
Since when does a research and education institution qualify as "industrial"? All over the US we have schools and universities smack in the middle of residential zones.
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Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#6Mad at the Haoles again are we Hawaii? Hawaii's indigenous culture has a interesting mix where racism against non-native races and prejudice against modern practices (like science) is the norm. Would be good material for a traditionalist/modernist study. The culture is uniquely xenophobic among American states, it's rather interesting really.
I don't live in Hawai'i, and I've never been. But given their history, I think I can forgive them a little bit of dislike of Americans.
Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#7Mad at the Haoles again are we Hawaii? Hawaii's indigenous culture has a interesting mix where racism against non-native races and prejudice against modern practices (like science) is the norm. Would be good material for a traditionalist/modernist study. The culture is uniquely xenophobic among American states, it's rather interesting really.
Hawaiians are some of the least racist and xenophobic people in the US, your bile says a lot more about you than it does about them.
Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#8This site outlines the actions that tmt takes to improve Hawaii and science education in general... 300 jobs. 26 million per year in revenue. 1 million per year just in paying a lease, 800k of which is earmarked to pay for conservation of the mountain. The site was deliberately moved to a suboptimal location so that it would be less visible to people. Includes a statement regarding this HSC hearing.
I honestly don't see how telescopes are disrespectful to begin with. Stonehenge, the Pyramids, countless other ancient monoliths were astronomical temples... These are literally the temples of the one 'religion' all humanity shares-- the love of space and the stars.
Whatever. Good job random celebrities on twitter who have never even been to Mauna Kea; you've successfully done whatever this is. We will in fact “take [our] toys and play in another sandbox,” because some of us actually care about the past and future of humanity as a race and our place in the stars.
Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#9>>The mountain, however, is also a state-designated conservation district. Opponents of the project have contended that the planned telescope, which at 18 stories high would be the biggest building on the Big Island, represents industrial development and would violate the rules for such zones. Since when does a research and education institution qualify as "industrial"? All over the US we have schools and universitie…
Since conservation areas and city zoning don't have the same goals and don't follow the same principles, e.g. when it comes to impact of construction. Note that this wasn't even the issue at hand, it seems like the court decision was mostly based on a technicality.
Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope
#10This site outlines the actions that tmt takes to improve Hawaii and science education in general... 300 jobs. 26 million per year in revenue. 1 million per year just in paying a lease, 800k of which is earmarked to pay for conservation of the mountain. The site was deliberately moved to a suboptimal location so that it would be less visible to people. Includes a statement regarding this HSC hearing. http://www.maunak…
Just because 'science is good' doesn't mean it gets to trump the normal permitting procedures and rule of law.