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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by laotzu »

nightspirit wrote: post #678
DarkTree wrote: post #410

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I had not read this before, but I really like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my takeaway is that since the old master did not accept the young warrior's insults, the insults remained with the young warrior, almost as if he was insulting himself. In relation to the article, those who blame others for their victimization are in fact pointing out their own flaws.

It's something I call creationism. You give something a name ("insults"), ask some grammatically-correct questions about it ("where did it go?", "to whom did it stick?") and now you created this magic, metaphysical thing which you feel really exists and needs to answer your questions one way or another. While in the mundane everyday world, the young warrior simply made a fool of himself.

>I must state clearly that my teaching is a method to experience reality and not reality itself, just as a finger pointing at the moon is not the moon itself. A thinking person makes use of the finger to see the moon. A person who only looks at the finger and mistakes it for the moon will never see the real moon.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by talmand »

pitay wrote: post #679
talmand wrote: post #190

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Well, anecdotally, I often find that being used as an easy excuse to dismiss someone's concerns without having to address the concerns.

I totally agree. I have had people blaming me for making them depressed when I was refuting someone saying 'you get out what was put into it', which I thought was complete bullshit the way he was saying it. I was saying that a lot of success is due to chance, and that a lot of life events are due to chance. This got people some people saying that what I was saying was horribly depressing. The guy then proceeded to le…

Don't apologize because of such nonsense, it only encourages the behavior.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by CodeCube »

talmand wrote: post #190
CodeCube wrote: post #164

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I gotta say, anecdotally, this is what I often find ... the people complaining about political correctness, are those that have in the past been openly racist, or at a minimum, fond of racially charged jokes (ie. "black people are great, everyone should own one"). They are chafing against a cultural change that no longer appreciates and/or tolerates behavior like that.

Well, anecdotally, I often find that being used as an easy excuse to dismiss someone's concerns without having to address the concerns.

What concerns exactly are you referring to?

If I hear someone expressing a view that I dislike, I'm well within my rights to do any or all of the following things: a) stop associating with this individual b) let them know that I dislike the view they've expressed.

Choosing to do both a) and b) is a normal social response, and the individual that finds themselves expressing views that go against the cultural majority will find themselves in an awkward position. If this view being expressed is worth expressing, then unfortunately the individual will have to endure hardships in order to get the message out and convince the masses ... much like MLKjr being willing to go to jail to communicate the idea that civil rights were for all.

So if someone wants to share racist jokes, then toughen up that skin and let the vitriol fly! They should be proud of what they are and let everyone know ... if it's a worthy viewpoint, they'll find others will rally to their cause; and if not, they'll find themselves awkwardly cast out by their social circle (or at least, their social circle's kids/younger generation).

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by wpietri »

philh wrote: post #672
wpietri wrote: post #662

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Just so we're clear, your complaint is that I'm talking about the thing I want to talk about, rather than me talking about the thing you want me to talk about? I'm not immediately seeing my obligation here.

I have multiple complaints! For one, you're a bully. For two, you're changing the subject when I point out your bullying. And now we can add three, you're changing the subject when I point out your changing the subject. Are you trying to paint me as some kind of tyrant here? Who said anything about obligation? Feel free to ignore me, feel free to talk about whatever you like. Meanwhile, I will feel free to point out…

Dude, you replied to my comment. I am not "changing the subject". I was agreeing with CodeCube and extending his point. To the extent there is a subject here, it is covert and overt racists chafing that they can no longer be quite as racist as they are used to.

It's not my job to address whatever hobbyhorse you've ridden in on, one I still only find half comprehensible. HN discussion is a recreation for me, one I do on my terms. If you would like to make dealing with you my job, feel free to book me at my consulting rate, $300/hr, cash in advance. I have open slots starting in mid-January. Otherwise, please march back on out of my mentions. Thanks.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by philh »

wpietri wrote: post #684
philh wrote: post #672

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I have multiple complaints! For one, you're a bully. For two, you're changing the subject when I point out your bullying. And now we can add three, you're changing the subject when I point out your changing the subject. Are you trying to paint me as some kind of tyrant here? Who said anything about obligation? Feel free to ignore me, feel free to talk about whatever you like. Meanwhile, I will feel free to point out…

Dude, you replied to my comment. I am not "changing the subject". I was agreeing with CodeCube and extending his point. To the extent there is a subject here, it is covert and overt racists chafing that they can no longer be quite as racist as they are used to. It's not my job to address whatever hobbyhorse you've ridden in on, one I still only find half comprehensible. HN discussion is a recreation for me, one I do…

HN discussion is a public forum, and you don't get to dictate who replies to you. If you don't want to talk to me, that's up to you. You can simply stop talking to me. I'll get bored and wander off and you won't see me replying to you. If you don't understand what I'm saying, you can also choose to ask clarification. But I'm not asking any positive action of you.

What I do ask is that if you choose to reply to me, you reply to the things that I actually say. Instead, you repeatedly chose to say things which sounded like replies, but weren't. You tried to hide your lack-of-response - first, by talking about something unrelated to what I said, and second, by being all "I don't need to talk about what you want to talk about". Of course you don't! But if you're not going to talk about it, you don't get to pretend you replied to me.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by digler999 »

jessaustin wrote: post #429
darkr wrote: post #389

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> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

I am not religious, but this is simply prejudice, and it doesn't belong here. What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.

I'm all open to meeting god, just show me where she is.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by Anthony-G »

pitay wrote: post #679
talmand wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, anecdotally, I often find that being used as an easy excuse to dismiss someone's concerns without having to address the concerns.

I totally agree. I have had people blaming me for making them depressed when I was refuting someone saying 'you get out what was put into it', which I thought was complete bullshit the way he was saying it. I was saying that a lot of success is due to chance, and that a lot of life events are due to chance. This got people some people saying that what I was saying was horribly depressing. The guy then proceeded to le…

That sounds like a tragic case of shooting the messenger. The sad outcome is that people learn to keep their mouths shut rather than tell unpalatable truths - and it's the whole group that loses out in the long fun.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by wpietri »

philh wrote: post #685
wpietri wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, you replied to my comment. I am not "changing the subject". I was agreeing with CodeCube and extending his point. To the extent there is a subject here, it is covert and overt racists chafing that they can no longer be quite as racist as they are used to. It's not my job to address whatever hobbyhorse you've ridden in on, one I still only find half comprehensible. HN discussion is a recreation for me, one I do…

HN discussion is a public forum, and you don't get to dictate who replies to you. If you don't want to talk to me, that's up to you. You can simply stop talking to me. I'll get bored and wander off and you won't see me replying to you. If you don't understand what I'm saying, you can also choose to ask clarification. But I'm not asking any positive action of you. What I do ask is that if you choose to reply to me, yo…

I replied to the portion of your comment I thought relevant. Stomp your feet all you want, but I don't owe you anything further, and acting entitled to interaction on your terms doesn't incline me to take you seriously.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by philh »

wpietri wrote: post #688
philh wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN discussion is a public forum, and you don't get to dictate who replies to you. If you don't want to talk to me, that's up to you. You can simply stop talking to me. I'll get bored and wander off and you won't see me replying to you. If you don't understand what I'm saying, you can also choose to ask clarification. But I'm not asking any positive action of you. What I do ask is that if you choose to reply to me, yo…

I replied to the portion of your comment I thought relevant. Stomp your feet all you want, but I don't owe you anything further, and acting entitled to interaction on your terms doesn't incline me to take you seriously.

Of course you owe me nothing, and of course I'm not entitled to interaction from you, on any terms. I've said twice, and now I say a third time, that you can stop interacting with me any time you like.

But while you choose to interact with me, I am free to point out when you're violating conventions of discourse.

I am not entitled to your words, and you are not entitled to my silence.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by chillingeffect »

johnny22 wrote: post #677
chillingeffect wrote: post #418

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heya if you are talking about communicating with a woman - or rather feminine energy - sometimes it can be even easier than that! 95% - 99% of the time, feminine energy works out its problems through saying them out loud and being heard. (Masculine energy works out its problems by pondering in a man cave). So often, all you have to do is keep your lips closed and listen. It can be hard, but that's the way it works, b…

sarcasm?

No, not at all. It's something I learned from Corey Wayne [1], a dating and success coach. He says only 3% of men really understand women. Judging from my downvotes, he's right. Although I really hoped the population here would be skewed toward top-tier social skills or at least receptive. But I don't care about the down votes... Everything I quoted from Corey Wayne is working out extremely well for me. I'm miles beyond my previous relationships before I discovered his material.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/user/coachcoreywayne

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