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Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by quesera »

david-given wrote: post #383
Karunamon wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've moved to Mutt/OfflineIMAP on most every machine I own, and it's worked remarkably well. It's a CLI app, yes, but it outshines Thunderbird (and most other GUI clients, for that matter) in a number of ways: - FAST. Mutt lets you process thousands of messages in short order. Mutt is directly responsible for helping me dig out of a 50k deep email hole brought on by years of GMail's approach (archive, never delete) i…

Is there a version of Mutt with a GUI yet? While I like command line apps, and am a die hard vim user, there are just some applications that I really want to use a mouse for, and email is one of them. I've tried mutt a few times before and it's just never clicked with me. It's not that I can't learn how to drive it --- it's that I don't want to have to. Finding little-used commands is so much easier if there's an act…

That's funny, because every time I use an MUA other than mutt I'm frustrated by how janky it feels to process email with a mouse. :)

The little-used commands can be found by pressing "?" in any mode. You get a nice list including any custom macros you've set up (I don't use many, but a few are essential). It's far simpler than clicking all over menus and dropdowns and hovering inscrutable icons...

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by yunesj »

ultramancool wrote: post #195

I think this is the 3rd time I've heard Thunderbird is/is going to be unmaintained and that I should avoid it, but I'm yet to see a good alternative. Claws was crashy and didn't DPI scale properly on Windows, OS X Mail had strange behavior with my IMAP server and I just wanted a consistent UI with my Windows and Linux system. My next option is webmail but there's no good IMAP webmail client that seems to be able to h…

Check out MailMate! It's great!

It's a robust IMAP client that has cross account message rules, smart filters, blocking external images, OpenPGP, Google's wonky IMAP implementation, great support, and a lot more.

http://freron.com/

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by executesorder66 »

timbit42 wrote: post #305

Would LibreOffice adopt it? Microsoft Office has Outlook.

I really hope so. The Document Foundation seriously has their shit together. Having them take over would be a major win for open source email clients.

Forgot to add: Is there any official way (besides sending an email) of getting them to consider it?

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by ZenoArrow »

pcwalton wrote: post #411
ZenoArrow wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you referring to? Opera and IE certainly used different rendering engines: Trident for IE, Presto for Opera (before it moved to Blink).

Back in the Netscape 4 days, the architectures of those engines were broadly the same (in the sense that Linux and FreeBSD have broadly the same architecture). Of course the codebases were different.

How do you know this? Trident and Presto were both closed source, did you do some contract work with both Microsoft and Opera at the time?

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by joonoro »

edwintorok wrote: post #263
joonoro wrote: post #27

Funny I should see this today, I spent yesterday afternoon reading articles about Thunderbird and other mail clients and ended up migrating from Thunderbird to mu4e [0] (purely for reasons of usability). If this is true (and there is some reason to doubt it, as this isn't the first time Thunderbird has been declared "dead"), and considering that Geary is no longer in active development either (maybe the Elementary OS…

I've also seen 'notmuch' recommended as email interface for emacs. Did you try it and could you compare it to mu4e?

Did not know notmuch had an emacs interface, so no. I thought notmuch was just a sort of backend like offlineimap.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by pcwalton »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #424
pcwalton wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the Netscape 4 days, the architectures of those engines were broadly the same (in the sense that Linux and FreeBSD have broadly the same architecture). Of course the codebases were different.

How do you know this? Trident and Presto were both closed source, did you do some contract work with both Microsoft and Opera at the time?

Presto wasn't released until 2003.

In the late '90s, the time frame this thread is about, it was well known that the layout engines at the time were not dynamic: they could not in general reflow only parts of the page. Everything else I mentioned in the post that triggered this subthread is obvious simply based on browser engine and OS history.

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Post by dspillett »

cpach wrote: post #400
tedunangst wrote: post #120

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jwz doesn't like HN.

Yup, I’m afraid I forgot about that. https://twitter.com/sloverlord/status/665653521560174592

I wonder what the history is there...

Though to be honest I really don't have time to look into it, if he doesn't want us there then fine I'll add that domain to those in my "causes irritation" blacklist so I don't waste time on it in future.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by ZenoArrow »

pcwalton wrote: post #426
ZenoArrow wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know this? Trident and Presto were both closed source, did you do some contract work with both Microsoft and Opera at the time?

Presto wasn't released until 2003. In the late '90s, the time frame this thread is about, it was well known that the layout engines at the time were not dynamic: they could not in general reflow only parts of the page. Everything else I mentioned in the post that triggered this subthread is obvious simply based on browser engine and OS history.

Architecture != functionality.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by cpach »

dspillett wrote: post #427
cpach wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I’m afraid I forgot about that. https://twitter.com/sloverlord/status/665653521560174592

I wonder what the history is there... Though to be honest I really don't have time to look into it, if he doesn't want us there then fine I'll add that domain to those in my "causes irritation" blacklist so I don't waste time on it in future.

Let's say he's not the most patient person alive. I guess he sees HN as the new Slashdot.

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Post by Kunix »

mwcampbell wrote: post #355
Kunix wrote: post #140

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As a user, my experience with HTML/CSS/JS apps is great. Look at the excellent feedback the Atom Editor is getting. As a developer, I feel that it's easier for me to create good user experience (nice UI, easy non-blocking I/Os by default, etc). I don't say it's flawless, I say it's now becoming a very good alternative.

> As a user, my experience with HTML/CSS/JS apps is great. Look at the excellent feedback the Atom Editor is getting. For some less positive feedback on Atom, which reinforces some of creshal's points, see the Atom section of this text editor rundown: http://eev.ee/blog/2015/05/31/text-editor-rundown/ I've also frequently seen complaints to the effect that Atom is much too slow, even on machines only a few years old.…

> For some less positive feedback on Atom, which reinforces some of creshal's points, see the Atom section of this text editor rundown:

> http://eev.ee/blog/2015/05/31/text-editor-rundown/

This review (6 months ago) is based on an early version of Atom Editor (0.204.0), the latest stable (1.2.4) is way more mature and provides very nice packages [1].

[1] https://atom.io/packages

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