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Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by SwellJoe »

chx wrote: post #276
SwellJoe wrote: post #273

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Thanks for the pointers. I think this may be where part of the breakdown comes in. I don't want to be a "Drupal developer", don't want to devote huge amounts of time to the project (though I may release a couple of modules of the stuff I develop for my own use at some point), and don't necessarily want a guide (though someone that answers my questions about the incredibly complex abstractions in Drupal would certainl…

Again: I am sorry. This is something the project needs to figure out: how do you deal with thousands upon thousands of issues? Just of major issues there are more than a thousand! So if you post a random patch the chances are , alas, very high it'll be lost in this vast sea. Again: this is not ideal, hopefully we will figure something out. OTOH, if you need help http://drupal.stackexchange.com/ is a good place to ask…

Believe me, I'm sympathetic. I work on a project with a million or so users, and a very small team supporting it. I'll try to find ways to follow up more directly on stuff like this. As I said, IRC (and the specific IRC channels of the modules I use, like drupal-commerce) has been occasionally helpful, and can occasionally nudge someone into looking at my tickets/patches. I've got a handful of new patches that I'd like to submit, will try to follow up more directly with the relevant devs, rather than just dropping them in the issue tracker and forgetting about them.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by chx »

SwellJoe wrote: post #281
chx wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again: I am sorry. This is something the project needs to figure out: how do you deal with thousands upon thousands of issues? Just of major issues there are more than a thousand! So if you post a random patch the chances are , alas, very high it'll be lost in this vast sea. Again: this is not ideal, hopefully we will figure something out. OTOH, if you need help http://drupal.stackexchange.com/ is a good place to ask…

Believe me, I'm sympathetic. I work on a project with a million or so users, and a very small team supporting it. I'll try to find ways to follow up more directly on stuff like this. As I said, IRC (and the specific IRC channels of the modules I use, like drupal-commerce) has been occasionally helpful, and can occasionally nudge someone into looking at my tickets/patches. I've got a handful of new patches that I'd li…

And this is where being a contributor pays off: if $random_guy comes in and says hey look at this patch, people might or might not and it might get in or might not. It's an entirely different thing when someone we know does the same, for so many reasons. One, there's the whole karma thing. Second, if I know this is not your first rodeo then I will be much more willing to invest my time in it (hint: time is the scarce resource hence the currency in open source world) because I'll know you already have coding standards, obvious API usage etc down pat.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by SwellJoe »

chx wrote: post #282
SwellJoe wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe me, I'm sympathetic. I work on a project with a million or so users, and a very small team supporting it. I'll try to find ways to follow up more directly on stuff like this. As I said, IRC (and the specific IRC channels of the modules I use, like drupal-commerce) has been occasionally helpful, and can occasionally nudge someone into looking at my tickets/patches. I've got a handful of new patches that I'd li…

And this is where being a contributor pays off: if $random_guy comes in and says hey look at this patch, people might or might not and it might get in or might not. It's an entirely different thing when someone we know does the same, for so many reasons. One, there's the whole karma thing. Second, if I know this is not your first rodeo then I will be much more willing to invest my time in it (hint: time is the scarce…

All true...but also makes it not friendly to new people. ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by scintill76 »

faddat wrote: post #269
scintill76 wrote: post #263

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> it's very difficult to see how one person's consensual marriage could possibly infringe on another person's rights. Maybe to you, but others argue that it's bad for society etc. It wasn't so "settled" in 2008 when Eich donated and that cause won the election. I'm not even sure a significant portion calling for his resignation would have supported an apology, if he decided to change his position. This is the opposit…

He has fucked up personal beliefs-- this is a fact. These personal beliefs could have been kept in a box in his mind, but when he spoke on this publicly and loudly as a public figure, well..... It'd be nice if we could all do work that allows us to voice our exact thoughts at every moment.... or would it?

> He has fucked up personal beliefs-- this is a fact.

You find them distasteful. That's your opinion, not fact. His support of Prop 8 and the legal ramifications of Prop 8, are the facts here.

> These personal beliefs could have been kept in a box in his mind, but when he spoke on this publicly and loudly as a public figure

So you're only allowed to believe something if you don't actually act on that belief in a way that internet stalkers can find? Hmm, hopefully there's never an unpopular belief someone has that you would say is good, because they'll decide to keep it to themselves instead of risking getting fired. I'm not sure his position was public or loud, at least not until people dragged it into public. All he did was donate, thus getting himself on a legally-required list of donors.

There could be dozens of employees at Mozilla, even some execs, who voted for Prop 8 (voting against gay marriage) but didn't fund advocacy groups so that nobody knows. If Brendan Eich hadn't donated but voted and if nobody thought to publicly ask his belief and got an honest answer, he would still be at Mozilla to this day, quietly oppressing employees and infecting the world with his anti-gay views through Firefox. Or not, because I haven't heard any accounts of his political views actually entering the workplace until activists forced them to. To the public and to Mozilla employees, it was pretty much indistinguishable from "kept in a box in his mind."

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by chx »

SwellJoe wrote: post #284
chx wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is where being a contributor pays off: if $random_guy comes in and says hey look at this patch, people might or might not and it might get in or might not. It's an entirely different thing when someone we know does the same, for so many reasons. One, there's the whole karma thing. Second, if I know this is not your first rodeo then I will be much more willing to invest my time in it (hint: time is the scarce…

All true...but also makes it not friendly to new people. ;-)

You need to give us a chance to be friendly. If you a drop a patch in a queue which has 10K other patches and then, as you said, move on then the chances of this patch being picked up is quite low.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by Lappleism »

I'm the tech evangelist at Zalando and co-organize our Open Source Guild. Our engineers fit your criteria and would be open to your contributions:

https://github.com/zalando

https://github.com/zalando-stups

We have projects in Go, Clojure, Python, Scala, Java ...

I'm a beginner-level coder and my colleagues have been extremely supportive, staying late to teach me JavaScript and reviewing my Python. Let us know if you end up contributing: @zalandotech. :)

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by jshevek »

sandofsky wrote: post #194
caseysoftware wrote: post #192

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Just before Eich's donation, Obama was against gay marriage too and even said marriage was not a civil right: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-oba...

The difference is that Eich never actually apologized, or said his opinion changed. It was always, "Don't worry, Mozilla will be fine!" He argued that accepting bigotry is a form of inclusion. So, all signs point to him remaining a bigot.

I don't see any signs at all that Eich is a bigot.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by viktorbenei »

If you're interested in iOS & Android dev / automation tools you should check out https://fastlane-tools and https://www.bitrise.io/cli . The two projects have a fair amount of overlap, but handle a couple of key concept differently (e.g. built in modules in fastlane vs decentralized step library in bitrise). I'm more than happy to help you get started if you would decide to contribute to bitrise
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