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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by chrisdbaldwin »

warfangle wrote: post #498
aggieben wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

There's a stark difference between what people who dislike the concept of "safe space" think a "safe space" is and what a "safe space" actually is. A "safe space" is a place where you know you aren't going to be singled out and harmed (verbally or physically) by someone telling you that you're a queer faggot and deserve to die. A "safe space" is a place where people can discuss the actual issues of hatred, bigotry an…

That's a long way of saying "shut up."

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by licoricetic »

jazzyk wrote: post #412
CaptSpify wrote: post #330

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I went to a similar school (not affiliated with OKWU), and had a very similar experience. I tried asking certain questions which were...not encouraged. Additionally, we had: Bible-majors for men, and Christian-Education Studies for women. I saw many women who were failed essentially because they were a woman and "women shouldn't be pastors, they should be Sunday-School teachers". The education was much more about "li…

If I understand correctly, they clearly state their religious affiliation. They are free to "teach" whatever they want. And you are free to get your education somewhere else.

Being an asshole to students, or even sinners, is not Christian as in Christ. The university is operating under false pretenses.

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Post by JulianMorrison »

philh wrote: post #364
wpietri wrote: post #198

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Yeah. As a white guy, I get that our current loss of privilege feels like a loss. Change is always uncomfortable, so I can see why people would be inclined to push back. And I get that we all learned to express privilege partly through behaviors that conveniently just happen to maintain privilege (behaviors like those racist jokes). But still, it's frustrating how many people who supposedly pride themselves on their…

People aren't just scared of being forbidden from making racist jokes. People are scared of being forbidden to express opinions. Like, here's someone who was fired for saying someone else shouldn't have been fired: http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/turtle-rock-communit... And it makes me pretty uncomfortable when people express "fear of being attacked for doing something that's okay", and other people turn that…

It's not okay to say "bigotry is okay". It isn't. It's harmful. It has victims. The guy who got sacked, was rightfully sacked.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by licoricetic »

rs999gti wrote: post #407
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

> Isn't this just an extreme safe-space for Christianity? But isn't that expected? OKWU's institution is as an evangelical Christian university - http://www.okwu.edu/about/ If you did not want Christian indoc then why would you go to a christian evangelical school?

There is nothing in Christian Evangelism that inherently implies that University teachers are right about everything and have no need to engage with students' understanding of Christianity.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

myth_buster wrote: post #325
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

I agree with the jist of what is said by the president, but while reading this I felt the religious intonations were a bit strong and the article not object enough. Reading your comment does provide correlation to the strong religious sentiments. Also their mission statement: As an evangelical Christian university of The Wesleyan Church, Oklahoma Wesleyan University models a way of thought, a way of life, and a way o…

Serious study and honest questions are antithetical to fundamentalism.

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Post by mkrfox »

warfangle wrote: post #498
aggieben wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

There's a stark difference between what people who dislike the concept of "safe space" think a "safe space" is and what a "safe space" actually is. A "safe space" is a place where you know you aren't going to be singled out and harmed (verbally or physically) by someone telling you that you're a queer faggot and deserve to die. A "safe space" is a place where people can discuss the actual issues of hatred, bigotry an…

That's what's so annoying. Everyone's having this big screaming conversation about something and using the words for something else, like they're working with some kind of bilingual dictionary. The entries for "safe space" and "trigger warning" got mixed up with a Sudoku puzzle, and everyone's pretending it makes perfect sense instead of looking for a better dictionary.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

aggieben wrote: post #422
[deleted] wrote: post #404

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Not entirely sure what all you're getting at, but you don't find conservatives running around offended that you said "estate tax" instead of "death tax" or, more importantly, trying to make others use their preferred euphemism. Having said that, I fully admit there may be a few phrases that conservatives might be a bit sensitive to, but it would surely be a very short list.

Why do they call it the Death Tax?

Why do they call the lobbying for prevention of medical treatment for women, Pro-life?

Why can't they call the opposition party by their actual name?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by flubert »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #264
ceejayoz wrote: post #206

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You can turn raw statistics into all sorts of false, misleading, or incomplete conclusions. A white supremacist doing a statistical analysis isn't going to reach all that hard for stats that might contradict or weaken the conclusion they're trying for. If they find one accidentally, there's a pretty decent chance they'll "forget" to mention it. I'm no expert in the field, but I'd wonder about things like encounter ra…

Lets back up. I claimed a white male might feel irrational fear of the disproportionately large number of black on white crimes, just as maaku claimed a black person might feel irrational fear of crimes that happened a few generations back. I linked to a source showing that the number of black on white crimes is disproportionately large. Perhaps this white supremacist organization did make arithmetic errors when mult…

>It's a bit surprising

...(eyes roll). Anyway, on a completely different taboo topic, I wonder if you've read the Unabomber's manifesto...

https://archive.org/stream/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-The...

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by philh »

Frondo wrote: post #497
philh wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't just scared of being forbidden from making racist jokes. People are scared of being forbidden to express opinions. Like, here's someone who was fired for saying someone else shouldn't have been fired: http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/turtle-rock-communit... And it makes me pretty uncomfortable when people express "fear of being attacked for doing something that's okay", and other people turn that…

A smart, capable community manager like Josh Olin should have no problem finding work with another game studio--one that would be OK with his public defense of the bigoted views of that basketball team owner. Maybe there aren't a lot of employers around who want to hire someone who promotes the view that "bigotry is OK," but surely there's at least one.

I've said that someone shouldn't have been fired for what they said, and you've said they can get another job. That is not reassuring.

You've also turned a defense of a person into a defense of their views. You've turned "someone shouldn't be fired for bigotry" into "bigotry is okay". That is not reassuring either.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by hiddencost »

warfangle wrote: post #498
aggieben wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

There's a stark difference between what people who dislike the concept of "safe space" think a "safe space" is and what a "safe space" actually is. A "safe space" is a place where you know you aren't going to be singled out and harmed (verbally or physically) by someone telling you that you're a queer faggot and deserve to die. A "safe space" is a place where people can discuss the actual issues of hatred, bigotry an…

Amen.
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