oh man - I thought this article might just break hacker news the minute I saw the title.
This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University
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I am not religious, but this is simply prejudice, and it doesn't belong here. What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.
It's not prejudice to point out absurdity. Religion is simply that... and while there may be some intelligent people, I would say that anyone who believes in supernatural sky beings that run everything and watch every move and every thought of every human is not smart. I think smart is the application of intelligence, and while intelligent, the religious are not "smart" in that area.
By that standard, basically nobody is smart because practically every person is irrational about something.
I mean, I try not to be, but let's be honest—I wouldn't know if I was.
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Safe-spaces" are practical application of the principle, accidentally unearthed by xyz-equality movements of the 20th century, that people generally don't like hurting others and hence you can control them by appearing to be hurt, whether you are or not. People modeling victim behaviors to remove everything that causes them discomfort aren't something to be afraid of, but also their cries for attention aren't someth…
This dismissive explanation doesn't account for why stories like this are so attractive to the population of sites like this. It's like people are getting off on superficially demonstrating how emotionally robust they are (I'm not convinced).
I'm not robust, I'm just angr^H^H^H^H victimized by people who try to make me feel bad for their emotional issues.
I try to explain that a) most people have little reason to feel consistently victimized, besides just a bad habit and b) this way of communicating isn't really productive.
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#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, it's sarcasm? I really didn't know. That's an opinion I see pretty much everywhere so I just assumed it was serious, haha.
The beauty of Internet flamewars is that half of the people who voted this comment to the top voted out of agreement with the literal interpretation and the other half voted because they read "you missed /s" and took it for sarcastic. What the original poster intended you never know...
What I find interesting is that such posts, which epitomize Poe's law, despite seeming ambiguous (since you don't know if OP really believes/means "X" or "not X") can still be correctly interpreted as garbage posting by readers. You don't need to figure out if they are sarcastic or not.
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#495Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In my world their opinions get no respect at all. You should try separating the opinion from the man and analyze the former without taking the shortcut of appealing to the authority of the latter.
Can't we analyze both the opinion and the man? I think it's legitimate to point out that this person complaining about how students can't handle dissent also wants to impose his own opinions on the entire country through force of law, even if he may have a point in this particular case.
> Can't we analyze both the opinion and the man?
We can, if we keep them separate. Just like we can analyze Polanski's movies separately from his child-raping persona.
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#496Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounded like hyperbole to me too, but then I remembered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Rise_of_fascism The owner in 1933 at least was a strong supporter of fascism in general, and Hitler in particular.
OK not that I'm excusing it, but there's quite a difference between someone in 1933 (who died in 1940) supporting Hitler (who, at that time, had quite a bit of popular support), and an institution in 2015 being "pro-Hitler." This may be the very definition of hyperbole. Taking something that is barely technically accurate and distorting it to the point where it doesn't mean even close to the same thing anymore. EDIT:…
Yeap, fair enough (I thought the same). It's still a pretty bad newspaper though; I think it would be fair to say it hasn't gone far uphill since then.
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#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. As a white guy, I get that our current loss of privilege feels like a loss. Change is always uncomfortable, so I can see why people would be inclined to push back. And I get that we all learned to express privilege partly through behaviors that conveniently just happen to maintain privilege (behaviors like those racist jokes). But still, it's frustrating how many people who supposedly pride themselves on their…
People aren't just scared of being forbidden from making racist jokes. People are scared of being forbidden to express opinions. Like, here's someone who was fired for saying someone else shouldn't have been fired: http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/turtle-rock-communit... And it makes me pretty uncomfortable when people express "fear of being attacked for doing something that's okay", and other people turn that…
A smart, capable community manager like Josh Olin should have no problem finding work with another game studio--one that would be OK with his public defense of the bigoted views of that basketball team owner.
Maybe there aren't a lot of employers around who want to hire someone who promotes the view that "bigotry is OK," but surely there's at least one.
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#498I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…
There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…
There's a stark difference between what people who dislike the concept of "safe space" think a "safe space" is and what a "safe space" actually is.
A "safe space" is a place where you know you aren't going to be singled out and harmed (verbally or physically) by someone telling you that you're a queer faggot and deserve to die.
A "safe space" is a place where people can discuss the actual issues of hatred, bigotry and violence without fear of reprise for being the hated, the attacked, the marginalized.
There's a stark difference between "This isn't a place for saying hurtful things; this is a place for talking about why saying those things are hurtful. That's why we're not letting you in here while you continue to marginalize the oppressed. Let's talk about why you think the oppressed should be marginalized instead."
All the anti-safe-space discussion on Hacker News lately is truly, horribly, fucking disgustingly indicative of the inherent sexism and flat-out hatred that worms its way through developer culture.
They are absofuckinglutely not cudgels of fear. And people who claim they are need to take a real fucking hard look at themselves and their views on those who are verbally bullied, physically attacked, raped, and murdered for being who they fucking are.
Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University
#499I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…
There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…
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#500Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "red cup controversy" wasn't "alive and well in modern Christianity" as there was no actual outrage about the cup, only self-congratulatory outrage by others against the presumed & imputed anti-red-cup outrage which didn't actually exist. What's telling is how many people were quick to sneer at a group for doing something they didn't do.
Uh, it's an indicator. Goes alongside the "War on Christmas" narrative that has been, ahem, alive and well in modern Christianity. Would you prefer a citation of the growing frequency of political grand-standing of forbidding "Sharia Law" in predominately Christain districts?
Saying "War on Christmas is alive and well in Christianity" is like saying "Daesh is alive and well in Islam". It is smearing a much larger group for the misbehavior of a small segment of demagogue extremists.